Shooting at Lone Star College in north Houston

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Whew. My son teaches at Lone Star College. Thankfully (for me) the shooting occurred on a different campus. He doesn't work on 'that' campus. Yay !

Peace be with you Darnell, glad your son is safe.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm cool with that. I still doubt it will change much.

It would take time to have effect. But that should not be used as an excuse for doing nothing.

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Whew. My son teaches at Lone Star College. Thankfully (for me) the shooting occurred on a different campus. He doesn't work on 'that' campus. Yay !

Glad to hear your family is safe.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I would think the same, but something needs to be put in place for cops. Right?

Absolutely. Carrying a gun is a grave responsibility. It ought to be treated as such.

You might not be. But I hear alot of people talking about banning this type of weapon, or this type of magazine.

I'm fine with that as well. Don't know that this must be high on any priority list but I haven't heard any good arguments against it.

[scotinmass 588]

Whew. My son teaches at Lone Star College. Thankfully (for me) the shooting occurred on a different campus. He doesn't work on 'that' campus. Yay !

Scary. Hopefully that is the one and only time his college sees anything like this.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They made high capacity clips illegal in New York and gave people a time limit to sell them out of state. That is reaching into law abiding citizens homes and taking things that they bought legally because the government says so. That’s a small step away from making guns illegal. People balk at big change but are less resistant to small changes over time that end up at the same result.

I don't see the slippery slope. I know that there are at least 20 families that wish we had reached into the home of law abiding Nancy Lanza ensuring that her disturbed son did not have access to high powered rifles and high capacity magazines. His law abiding mother failed miserably at her responsibility as a gun owner and I am somehow supposed to be worried about people like Nancy Lanza rather than the innocent children whose untimely and violent death she helped to bring about? Try as I may, I can't.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think by definition it is actually. They made firearm A illegal and magazine B illegal - grandfathering both. They limited people to purchases of Firearm A/2 and magazine B/2.

Now a few years later, they are pulling the grandfathering of A and B completely, now they are saying Firearm A/2 is illegal as is B/2 - grandfathering both. Cause and Effect tells me that the grandfathering of A/2 and B/3 will be struck down the road and that the current compliant firearms will be illegal until such time as no firearm is legal.

This time, however, it seems NY owners have had enough and will not be complying with the new law. Call it NY Prohibition 2013 or whatever.

By the way, looking at it that way, we are and have been for decades on a slippery slope. Face it, you can't legally have automatic firearms. So this is nothing new, really. Just us going down that slope which as you admit is inevitable. That being the case, no point in fighting it. If you can stop at this point, then you can also stop at any other.

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Face it, you can't legally have automatic firearms.

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[Usui Takumi 1,562]

By the way, looking at it that way, we are and have been for decades on a slippery slope. Face it, you can't legally have automatic firearms. So this is nothing new, really. Just us going down that slope which as you admit is inevitable. That being the case, no point in fighting it. If you can stop at this point, then you can also stop at any other.

No one has ever outlawed automatic firearms. On the Federal Level I would say we are not on a slope. New York and California are on a slope, but I have faith that the legal system will cut in and stop NY, a further precedent will be set and states like CA will be forced to roll back laws.

Rest assured I do not believe the NY law will survive.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No one has ever outlawed automatic firearms. On the Federal Level I would say we are not on a slope. New York and California are on a slope, but I have faith that the legal system will cut in and stop NY, a further precedent will be set and states like CA will be forced to roll back laws.

Rest assured I do not believe the NY law will survive.

No one has ever outlawed automatic firearms? So automatic firearms are legally available to civilians in the US? If not, why not?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Federally.

The Hughes Amendment to FOPA does not outlaw the ownership or transfer of automatic firearms that were not registered prior to May 19, 1986? Or is FOPA not a federal law?

Edited January 23, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

The Hughes Amendment to FOPA does not outlaw the ownership or transfer of automatic firearms that were not registered prior to May 19, 1986? Or is FOPA not a federal law?

Note the registered prior to 1986 part.

IE Automatic Firearms are not completely outlawed, newer models may not be sold etc.

So to use this as an example of what New York did, the Federal government would remove the grandfathering of the pre 86 firearms, causing owners to sell out of country or have the item confiscated.

I hope that clarifies what I was getting at.

Edited January 23, 2013 by Usui Takumi

[natty bumppo 297]

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Face it, you can't legally have automatic firearms.

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Face it ...mr dog is clueless regarding his comment

Edited January 23, 2013 by natty bumppo

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Note the registered prior to 1986 part.

IE Automatic FIrearms are not completely outlawed, newer models may not be sold etc.

Okay, then by that line of argument, so-called "assault weapons" also have not ever been banned nor is there any push to ban them. So, what is the hysteria all about then?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Okay, then by that line of argument, so-called "assault weapons" also have not ever been banned nor is there any push to ban them. So, what is the hysteria all about then?

See my post 69 regarding NY.

Edited January 23, 2013 by Usui Takumi