Bush scarier that Kim Jong-il: UK poll

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Its not that people don't know that there are evil bad people in the world - but a lot of people are scared by (the ever-expanding and amorphous) war on terror, and wonder just what the objectives are. I mean, how do you know if you've won? When Bush tells us? Is that like when an election comes up and Bush et al tells us we should be afraid (of some general undefined threat) just because people might be thinking of voting another way...?

How Bush was given that kind of authority (to 'tell us' what is good and bad in this world) willingly and without question as if so many Americans submitted their intellect and reason to a sitting President will be interesting for historians to explain. The only thing I can think of is the enormous amount of fear we felt in this country from 9/11 and how this President who went completely in the opposite direction with it from FDR ("nothing to fear but fear itself"), exploited that fear to shape his policies almost unopposed...at least for awhile. Probably explains why the Republican Party recently used images of Osama in political adds, knowing full well the type of emotions that would evoke in the voters vs. showing images of Saddam - even though ironically, Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

[Cristy 4]

So Bush is like OJ, promising to find the real killer and then golfing or in Bushes case bombing other countries.

It is almost like Bush is a cult leader. I see so many people willing to believe anything he says. Where is your backbone and free will?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So Bush is like OJ, promising to find the real killer and then golfing or in Bushes case bombing other countries.

It is almost like Bush is a cult leader. I see so many people willing to believe anything he says. Where is your backbone and free will?

Fear is a powerful emotion. Tap into people's fears and you not only have their intellect and reason in your hands, but their balls too.

[Carol&Marc 0]

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

Tell me how the HE$$ you or anybody else knows what Bush is doing about BinLaden?

[I'm Gone 60]

Easy question to ask is would you want to switch Bush for any of those three and still want to live here.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

Tell me how the HE$$ you or anybody else knows what Bush is doing about BinLaden?

Well...just like Kerry...you've go to take him on his word, right?

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"

- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."

- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,

The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on

official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."

- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,

3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

[Veiled Princess 1]

And there you have it: The Axis of Evil

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

Tell me how the HE$$ you or anybody else knows what Bush is doing about BinLaden?

In case you missed it:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."

- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"

- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."

- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,

The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on

official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."

- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."

- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,

3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I wonder how many from the UK are immigrating to North Korea? How about none!

You can't immigrate to North Korea. It is a closed state.

It is a closed state, and the ppl of North Korea are not allowed to know what is going on in the outside world.

Yet that is scarier than Bush ruling the US, a country with immigration allowed and where ppl can find out what is going on around the world, freely, and where we are allowed to be critical of Bush without fear of prison? I don't get it...do people know anything about North Korea who took this poll?

The poll explored people's perceptions on what danger to the world peace any of the leaders poses. Please keep in mind that neither Kim nor Ahmadinejad have started any wars against international conventions. Bush has. That doesn't make the countries Kim or Ahmadinejad lead a better place than the US. Nobody has suggested that nor does the poll indicate that people feel that way. One has rather little to do with the other.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Carol&Marc is scarier than Kim Jong-Il

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

Tell me how the HE$$ you or anybody else knows what Bush is doing about BinLaden?

Bush went on record saying that he's not overly concerned about BinLaden and his whereabouts. So, that would be a pretty good indication that finding the dude is not exactly high on his agenda.

Easy question to ask is would you want to switch Bush for any of those three and still want to live here.

Again, that's not what the poll was about. The question was who people fear will have more of a negative impact on world peace and order. And Bush is who people are scared of. He is the one that started an illegal war of aggression. Kim and Ahmadinejad, however reprehensible a regime they're running and however ruthless they deal with their domestic affairs, didn't. That can be spun any which way but at the end of the day, Bush started a war against international conventions and obligations and the other two did not.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Carol&Marc is scarier than Kim Jong-Il

Only if he ever got elected President. Imagine that? brrrrrr...now that's scary.

[Carol&Marc 0]

1) So, according to your argument, it is okay to ignore the UN and most of the nations in the world to go after someone for ignoring the UN and most of the nations in the world. That's interesting. Thanks for clearing that up.

2) How can you assure me of anything if you don't know? I am not aware of a single source that would put the Iraqi civilian death toll that is attributable to our illegal invasion of that country below several tens of thousands. The only numbers I am aware of are either around 50,000 or around 650,000 depending on what is actually counted. Either source confirms, though, that the death tolls are rising and that they have been on that rising trend ever since Bush gave the orders to march in which he had no right or reason to do.

3) Intent? So, starting an unjustified, illegal and needless war causing tens of thousands of deaths is okay as long as there's a positive intent behind it? Tell that to those Iraqis that lost their husbands, wifes, parents, children and siblings as a result of our attack on their country. You know, the other guys I pictured with our war mongering President follow that same line of BS argument that you put forth for doing all the bad things they're doing.

1. Ignoring the U.N. was the correct thing to do. Saddam had two members of the security council France and Germany in his back pocket. "oil for food program" Saddam thought he would'nt be touched. Bush gave Saddam and his humanitarian sons 48 hours to leave. there are holes all over your U.N. argument.

2. There you go again BLAMING Bush for ALL the DEATHS in Iraq. I beleive most of the civilians have been killed by insurgents from Syria and Iran and the lovely Saddam ( before he was taken out) If you left your door unlocked and someone entered your house and did damage who get's the BLAME? according to your theory "YOU WOULD BE" so so LAME!

3. Answer's to 1 and 2 negate all the comments of #3

Bush isn't actively looking for the guy responsible for 9/11 to bring him to justice.

No he's not. It's what he is doing (so far undefined) that is what frightens a lot of people. And lets put it out clearly here - people seriously think that Bush's war on terror could lead to a third world war.

Tell me how the HE$$ you or anybody else knows what Bush is doing about BinLaden?

Bush went on record saying that he's not overly concerned about BinLaden and his whereabouts. So, that would be a pretty good indication that finding the dude is not exactly high on his agenda.

Easy question to ask is would you want to switch Bush for any of those three and still want to live here.

Again, that's not what the poll was about. The question was who people fear will have more of a negative impact on world peace and order. And Bush is who people are scared of. He is the one that started an illegal war of aggression. Kim and Ahmadinejad, however reprehensible a regime they're running and however ruthless they deal with their domestic affairs, didn't. That can be spun any which way but at the end of the day, Bush started a war against international conventions and obligations and the other two did not.

You have a extremely over active IMAGINATION. So you interpret Bush's statement has not looking for him

I dont see where it says that! a stretch at best, nice try though!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

1. Ignoring the U.N. was the correct thing to do. Saddam had two members of the security council France and Germany in his back pocket. "oil for food program" Saddam thought he would'nt be touched. Bush gave Saddam and his humanitarian sons 48 hours to leave. there are holes all over your U.N. argument.

Conservative media figures are engaged in an aggressive campaign to use the scandal surrounding the United Nations oil-for-food program to discredit the United Nations as a whole. The attacks focus on Saddam Hussein's manipulation of oil-for-food to obtain illegal revenue, which he used to prop up his ailing regime.

But these attacks on the United Nations frequently deny or ignore three important facts: (1) as members of the U.N. committee charged with monitoring the sanctions regime, the United States and other U.N. Security Council members played at least as large a role in monitoring oil-for-food as the oft-derided "U.N. bureaucracy" but apparently did little to address corruption in the program; (2) Saddam obtained a much larger portion of the illicit revenue used to prop up his regime through oil smuggling outside U.N. auspices than he did through the elaborate kickback schemes he devised under oil-for-food; and (3) oil-for-food achieved considerable success in alleviating the acute suffering of the Iraqi people that resulted from U.N. sanctions following the 1991 Gulf War.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412070005

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But the one company that helped Saddam exploit the oil-for-food program in the mid-1990s that wasn’t identified in Duelfer’s report was Halliburton, and the person at the helm of Halliburton at the time of the scheme was Vice President ####### Cheney. Halliburton and its subsidiaries were one of several American and foreign oil supply companies that helped Iraq increase its crude exports from $4 billion in 1997 to nearly $18 billion in 2000 by skirting U.S. laws and selling Iraq spare parts so it could repair its oil fields and pump more oil.

Since the oil-for-food program began, Iraq has sold $40 billion worth of oil. U.S. and European officials have long argued that the increase in Iraq’s oil production also expanded Saddam's ability to use some of that money for weapons, luxury goods and palaces. Security Council diplomats estimate that Iraq was skimming off as much as 10 percent of the proceeds from the oil-for-food program thanks to companies like Halliburton and former executives such as Cheney.

U.N. documents show that Halliburton's affiliates have had controversial dealings with the Iraqi regime during Cheney's tenure at the company and played a part in helping Saddam Hussein illegally pocket billions of dollars under the U.N.’s oil-for-food program. The Clinton administration blocked one deal Halliburton was trying to push through sale because it was "not authorized under the oil-for-food deal," according to U.N. documents. That deal, between Halliburton subsidiary Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co. and Iraq, included agreements by the firm to sell nearly $1 million in spare parts, compressors and firefighting equipment to refurbish an offshore oil terminal, Khor al Amaya. Still, Halliburton used one of foreign subsidiaries to sell Iraq the equipment it needed so the country could pump more oil, according to a report in the Washington Post in June 2001.

The Halliburton subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., sold water and sewage treatment pumps, spare parts for oil facilities and pipeline equipment to Baghdad through French affiliates from the first half of 1997 to the summer of 2000, U.N. records show. Ingersoll Dresser Pump also signed contracts -- later blocked by the United States -- according to the Post, to help repair an Iraqi oil terminal that U.S.-led military forces destroyed in the Gulf War years earlier.

Cheney’s hard-line stance against Iraq on the campaign trail is hypocritical considering that during his tenure as chief executive of Halliburton, Cheney pushed the U.N. Security Council, after he became CEO to end an 11-year embargo on sales of civilian goods, including oil related equipment, to Iraq. Cheney has said sanctions against countries like Iraq unfairly punish U.S. companies.

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