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But women should have a choice .. my choice would be birth control pill or morning after pill...

Why? Why should women have a choice to kill another human being who hasn't harmed another?????

The only choice she should have is to keep her legs together!

Welcome to the 21st century. It's ok for one to ###### the entire city but that same person does not have to bear the consequences of their actions.. Then it's societies fault or umm a pro-choice decision or any other BS excuse..

You would think after "2" babies one would have enough common sense..

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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Why are those the only options mentioned? You can literally give birth then leave the hospital without your baby and never look back. That's perfectly legal, and a really nice "way out" for someone like her who had let it get to that point. And again, there's TONS of couples out there looking to adopt. Like I just told Charity earlier, there's these two couples who post week after week ads in the Pennysaver, looking for someone like this, they will pay the medical and legal expenses. For heaven's sakes, this is the land of opportunity, and choices are NOT in short order!!!

You are talking as if this woman was a sane rational person who had the ability to look at her options and just chose incorrectly. I am not sure what is more sad, this tragic news story or this thread.

She somehow managed to give birth to and raise to that point two other children. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if she was COUNTING on everyone to look upon her as poor, pitiful, insane woman...ok, let's pat her on the head, be oh so understanding, meanwhile she gets away with MURDER. SICK!!!!

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Why are those the only options mentioned? You can literally give birth then leave the hospital without your baby and never look back. That's perfectly legal, and a really nice "way out" for someone like her who had let it get to that point. And again, there's TONS of couples out there looking to adopt. Like I just told Charity earlier, there's these two couples who post week after week ads in the Pennysaver, looking for someone like this, they will pay the medical and legal expenses. For heaven's sakes, this is the land of opportunity, and choices are NOT in short order!!!

In my state you can drop off your baby at any hospital, fire station, police station or church and you don't even have to give your name... just drop the baby off and leave.... they will find that baby a good home... no one has to resort to murder and it should not be condoned.

You are talking as if this woman was a sane rational person who had the ability to look at her options and just chose incorrectly. I am not sure what is more sad, this tragic news story or this thread.

If she was so insane and irrational why did she not kill one of the other children who had already been born earlier? Why didn't she just kill them all and get it over with?

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She did say that she couldn't afford the abortion. Unfortunately, I think that criminalizing abortion would make such cases more common.

I disagree.... do murder laws make murder more common? :huh:

Bad reasoning, VP. Try to keep up. 'Such cases' means 'women who are so desperate that they throw themselves down the stairs/shoot themselves/have their boyfriends beat them', and I see this increasing if abortion is made illegal, as more women will be in desperate situations.

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this is nothing to do with safe and legal abortion

if the anti-abortion crowd want to make it so then I would suggest that lack of gun control is to blame

So your defending a woman, on her 3 child at 22, shooting her self in a stomach and then calling this pro-choice? It was her choice to behave irresponsibly.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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Bad reasoning, VP. Try to keep up. 'Such cases' means 'women who are so desperate that they throw themselves down the stairs/shoot themselves/have their boyfriends beat them', and I see this increasing if abortion is made illegal, as more women will be in desperate situations.

And when they are in jail or their BF is in jail they will regret it... and when others see what happened to little miss baby killer they won't be as likely to try it either...

Maybe some women will just learn to say that magic word "NO" ;)

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...Not that killing babies is a good chioce.. but if they already use other choice like birth control and/or morning after pill I dont think they would have to choose abortion.

Excuse me, but you've made an erroneous line crossing here!

I would agree if you said "birth control pill, diaphragm, rubber (condom) and/or spermicide". However, mifeprestol ("morning after pill") is an abortifacient--so using it means the woman HAS chosen abortion, just a method which "looks cleaner" (actually, the possible complications of mifeprestol make it a WORSE choice).

oops.. well.. sorry.. I dont use those things so it didnt come to mind when i wrote it.. I shouldve put "etc" at the end.. sorry

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...Not that killing babies is a good chioce.. but if they already use other choice like birth control and/or morning after pill I dont think they would have to choose abortion.

Excuse me, but you've made an erroneous line crossing here!

I would agree if you said "birth control pill, diaphragm, rubber (condom) and/or spermicide". However, mifeprestol ("morning after pill") is an abortifacient--so using it means the woman HAS chosen abortion, just a method which "looks cleaner" (actually, the possible complications of mifeprestol make it a WORSE choice).

oops.. well.. sorry.. I dont use those things so it didnt come to mind when i wrote it.. I shouldve put "etc" at the end.. sorry

Don't worry--he's wrong anyway. The morning after pill just made available prevents conception. Point final.

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If she is so 'insane', have the other 2 kids been taken away from her??

Why do some turn this in a pro-choice discussion rather than base the facts on this particular case??

I am pro-choice, per say, but no pro have 2 kids and then shoot yourself in a stomach on the 3rd, at 22.. ###### if one is so poor they should spend their time trying to get and education and working rather than sleeping around, no offence..

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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I'm not going to say whether this woman was sane, insane, etc. I am going to say though, as a woman who struggles with infertility every day of her life, she's a beast for doing this to her child.

I would love, absolutely love, to be carrying a child in my "stomach" right now. After all the things I have been through in the last 2 years and especially the last 6 months. I could never in any state of mind harm my unborn child. They are precious little beings that are gifts from God. I struggle every day to understand why I haven't been blessed with one myself. It's very frustrating to deal with and to see a story like this just makes me sick. She had other options. There are plenty of people out there like me who would love to have had that child.

No matter what her mental state was she had no excuse. She may have been desperate but I would never say anyone had the right to kill a child in desperation. She's no different than Susan Smith or any of those other ladies who killed their children.

A murderer is a murderer is a murderer and you will never convince me it's okay for a woman to kill her unborn child. Not when so many women struggle every day to have one of their own.

Just couldn't stay my @ss away!

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I'm not going to say whether this woman was sane, insane, etc. I am going to say though, as a woman who struggles with infertility every day of her life, she's a beast for doing this to her child.

I would love, absolutely love, to be carrying a child in my "stomach" right now. After all the things I have been through in the last 2 years and especially the last 6 months. I could never in any state of mind harm my unborn child. They are precious little beings that are gifts from God. I struggle every day to understand why I haven't been blessed with one myself. It's very frustrating to deal with and to see a story like this just makes me sick. She had other options. There are plenty of people out there like me who would love to have had that child.

No matter what her mental state was she had no excuse. She may have been desperate but I would never say anyone had the right to kill a child in desperation. She's no different than Susan Smith or any of those other ladies who killed their children.

A murderer is a murderer is a murderer and you will never convince me it's okay for a woman to kill her unborn child. Not when so many women struggle every day to have one of their own.

:yes: Andrea Yates comes to mind also...

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

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I'm not going to say whether this woman was sane, insane, etc. I am going to say though, as a woman who struggles with infertility every day of her life, she's a beast for doing this to her child.

I would love, absolutely love, to be carrying a child in my "stomach" right now. After all the things I have been through in the last 2 years and especially the last 6 months. I could never in any state of mind harm my unborn child. They are precious little beings that are gifts from God. I struggle every day to understand why I haven't been blessed with one myself. It's very frustrating to deal with and to see a story like this just makes me sick. She had other options. There are plenty of people out there like me who would love to have had that child.

No matter what her mental state was she had no excuse. She may have been desperate but I would never say anyone had the right to kill a child in desperation. She's no different than Susan Smith or any of those other ladies who killed their children.

A murderer is a murderer is a murderer and you will never convince me it's okay for a woman to kill her unborn child. Not when so many women struggle every day to have one of their own.

:thumbs:

May God bless you with your own little angel very soon! (F):(

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Abortion is murder. No it's not. Yes it is. No it's not. Yes it is.

*Just in case you don't feel like reading the next umpteen pages of this thread, there is your summary.

Thanks for the short version

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I'm not going to say whether this woman was sane, insane, etc. I am going to say though, as a woman who struggles with infertility every day of her life, she's a beast for doing this to her child.

I would love, absolutely love, to be carrying a child in my "stomach" right now. After all the things I have been through in the last 2 years and especially the last 6 months. I could never in any state of mind harm my unborn child. They are precious little beings that are gifts from God. I struggle every day to understand why I haven't been blessed with one myself. It's very frustrating to deal with and to see a story like this just makes me sick. She had other options. There are plenty of people out there like me who would love to have had that child.

No matter what her mental state was she had no excuse. She may have been desperate but I would never say anyone had the right to kill a child in desperation. She's no different than Susan Smith or any of those other ladies who killed their children.

A murderer is a murderer is a murderer and you will never convince me it's okay for a woman to kill her unborn child. Not when so many women struggle every day to have one of their own.

:thumbs:

May God bless you with your own little angel very soon! (F):(

Amen to that!! (F)

Don't let the sunshine spoil your rain...just stand up and COMPLAIN!

-Oscar the Grouch

 

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