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[slim 1,533]

As far as cutting the skilled trades off from unemployment...that might be doable if

... the government runs out of money.

Sign up for the an apprenticeship and chances are you will do better than $50,000 in six months time

That's plenty of money to live on ALL YEAR LONG. For six months work, that's a great deal!

Cut your unions throat and see how long you last. It's the union that keeps us going and if one person breaks that code of honor than they pretty much deserved what they get. You were in he Air Force right?

Why don't they paid the military $40/hour? I mean, come on. They do a skilled trade in dangerous environments that nobody else wants to go to. Why don't we pay them more moeny?

We're lazy eh? lol. Then you get your a$$ and get out there in -50 temps with the wind blowing making it close to -100

Been there, done that. And for waaaaaay less money.

I'm not saying you're not a hard worker. What I'm saying is you guys work six to nine months out of the year and then take a long vacation on the tax payer's dime. That is lazy and that is no different than welfare moms. I have no problem with you guys taking the time off. You work very hard for most of the year and you deserve time off. You can do what you want with your time off and the money you've earned. What I have a problem with is you telling us you need more money while you're not working.

BS. You've earned plenty of money for the entire year already and if you can't make that work, that's not my problem.

Not sure how the system is failing in regards to us collecting unemployment when our work runs out. Either give us more money on our paychecks and cut out our unemployment or don't complain.

Your pay is up to you. If you don't think you make enough money that's between you and your employer. Where the system fails is somehow we've been convinced you guys don't make enough money and you need OUR money to help you out. I call BS. Tradesmen make GREAT money. You guys are paid well and only work part of the year. Essentially, you're getting paid time off. But instead of looking at it like $24/hour over the course of the year you see it as $48/hour for ONLY six months.

I don't want you to make less money. I don't want you to lower your standards. I want you to STOP taking free money from the tax payers.

Ironically it is the liberals that support this sytem and then complain loudest when someone uses it. I haven't stated an opinion and personally I have not collected unemployment.

The people here complaining about Kip will do nothing to change it. They will support politicians that further it.

This is where the system has failed. I don't think Kip is a bad guy and I'm not knocking him for what he's doing. He's simply drinking the kool-aid that he's been offered.

It's our fault for letting the kool-aid get mixed up in the first place.

Almost all the people I know who have been laid off were looking for work immediately. Most of them have kids and houses. It's not a paid vacation for them. It's a source of great anxiety.

Because most people don't have a mob-related quasi-government organization strong-arming people to get free money for them while they're out of work on a regular, scheduled basis.

They lose their jobs and they're stuck. They have to take it upon themselves to make ends meet. Union tradesmen don't. Unemployment for them is not to "help them through a tough time" it's simply another benefit of the job. Free money for not working.

The joke is on them though. Look at the recent auto industry bailouts. Does anyone think for a second they'll be able to continue paying UAW workers what they do and remain competitive? With another tax payer bailout, they'll be fine. But what happens next time when we say no? What happens when there is no money to bail them out with?

The government is eventually going to stop giving away free money because there will be no money to give.

[Dakine10 5,452]

The government is eventually going to stop giving away free money because there will be no money to give.

That's probably true, but then again, I can give you 14 trillion or so reasons that it's not going to happen soon enough.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

... the government runs out of money.

Then the contractors are going to have to pay a lot more money per hour if they want skilled labor otherwise the incentive to stay in the trades won't be there and there won't be any skilled trades in this country. You get what you pay for. If they want that work done, someone has to pay to keep those people coming back and/or staying in the trades. It's that simple.

That's plenty of money to live on ALL YEAR LONG. For six months work, that's a great deal!

It's not that great of money if your not working steady.

Why don't they paid the military $40/hour? I mean, come on. They do a skilled trade in dangerous environments that nobody else wants to go to. Why don't we pay them more moeny?

They don't pay the military near enough money for skilled positions. I know you were in the air force, and the IQ level in the air force is a lot higher than in the army. I saw more guys sitting on their ####### in the army than I could ever count..guys who were lucky if they could count to ten. The air force on the other hand can't keep pilots around for the fact the private sector offers too much money for those guys to stick around in the air force.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Been there, done that. And for waaaaaay less money.

We have taken more pay cuts than we have gotten raises in the past ten years...in regards to the slope/ Prudhoe Bay yet the oil companies are making more money now than ever. The work sucks, were loaded down with 30+ lbs of arctic gear so we are either sweating like a pig on the way to the work site or were freezing our ####### off. Being gone from home for up to six weeks at a time and with all the flying involved and cancelled flights due to weather we end up getting hosed on our time off before we fly back up (shorted). On top of that your taking classes just about every other month for some stupid ####### to stay certed up in whatever field of work your in along with the safety classes. Some of that is done on our time off the slope and we get paid for it, but it's that much more time away from home.

I'm not saying you're not a hard worker. What I'm saying is you guys work six to nine months out of the year and then take a long vacation on the tax payer's dime. That is lazy and that is no different than welfare moms. I have no problem with you guys taking the time off. You work very hard for most of the year and you deserve time off. You can do what you want with your time off and the money you've earned. What I have a problem with is you telling us you need more money while you're not working.

Then pay us more on our checks when we are working. Again if the money isn't there you won't have people doing that work. Only an idiot is going to put five years of schooling in along with risking their life and busting their ####### physically wise and not expect to get paid for their time.

BS. You've earned plenty of money for the entire year already and if you can't make that work, that's not my problem.

Again we want to see more money on our paychecks if we don't get our unemployment. Pretty much the same answer as above. You want skilled labor then you pay for it. It's like any job, you get what you pay for. Now I could go work at a Best Buy or some tire selling outfit and schlep tires for a living to customers and wear one of those cheesy shirts with my name on it and make peanuts yet there's going to be a gazillion other schmucks that can do that same job in a nice heated environment with the job skills of a peanut. It's supply and demand.

Your pay is up to you. If you don't think you make enough money that's between you and your employer. Where the system fails is somehow we've been convinced you guys don't make enough money and you need OUR money to help you out. I call BS. Tradesmen make GREAT money. You guys are paid well and only work part of the year. Essentially, you're getting paid time off. But instead of looking at it like $24/hour over the course of the year you see it as $48/hour for ONLY six months.

The cost is going to be handed down to the tax payer one way or another. If it cost X amount more dollars to do the job for the fact they have to pay us more, the tax payer will end up eating some of the cost seeing how so much construction is done for government jobs. Same with oil work...you will see the cost at the fuel pump. I don't care how they work it as long as I get my money. If they want to cut is from unemployment that's fine, but then they better be ready to jump our pay or they are going to be screwed for having workers to do that work. You want it done right then you pay for it. Again nobody is going to bust their ####### for peanuts...at least in this field.

I don't want you to make less money. I don't want you to lower your standards. I want you to STOP taking free money from the tax payers.

See the above answer.

This is where the system has failed. I don't think Kip is a bad guy and I'm not knocking him for what he's doing. He's simply drinking the kool-aid that he's been offered.

It's our fault for letting the kool-aid get mixed up in the first place.

Because most people don't have a mob-related quasi-government organization strong-arming people to get free money for them while they're out of work on a regular, scheduled basis.

They lose their jobs and they're stuck. They have to take it upon themselves to make ends meet. Union tradesmen don't. Unemployment for them is not to "help them through a tough time" it's simply another benefit of the job. Free money for not working.

The joke is on them though. Look at the recent auto industry bailouts. Does anyone think for a second they'll be able to continue paying UAW workers what they do and remain competitive? With another tax payer bailout, they'll be fine. But what happens next time when we say no? What happens when there is no money to bail them out with?

The government is eventually going to stop giving away free money because there will be no money to give.

Don't get the UAW mixed up with the skilled trades. There's no connection. That's like putting the grocers union in with us. Major difference.

[slim 1,533]

The cost is going to be handed down to the tax payer one way or another.

Exactly what the welfare moms say too.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Exactly what the welfare moms say too.

How much money does the welfare mom pay into welfare?

How much money does the welfare mom's employer pay into welfare?

Does the welfare mom pay taxes on the welfare she receives?

What are the odds of the welfare mom going back to work?

I work a minimum of 84.5 hours a week up north. Close to half of that goes to FICA alone. So for every week I work FICA gets well over $2,000.

I want to see my money whether it's on the check, or in the option to collect unemployment when the jobs finished and there isn't any work out there. You don't pay these guys then you don't have the labor to do these jobs. It's that simple. You play then you pay. You want gas to put into your car, then pay us or find some magical fairy elves that will get it out of the ground and to the consumer.

[slim 1,533]

How much money does the welfare mom pay into welfare?

How much money does the welfare mom's employer pay into welfare?

Does the welfare mom pay taxes on the welfare she receives?

What are the odds of the welfare mom going back to work?

I work a minimum of 84.5 hours a week up north. Close to half of that goes to FICA alone. So for every week I work FICA gets well over $2,000.

I want to see my money whether it's on the check, or in the option to collect unemployment when the jobs finished and there isn't any work out there. You don't pay these guys then you don't have the labor to do these jobs. It's that simple. You play then you pay. You want gas to put into your car, then pay us or find some magical fairy elves that will get it out of the ground and to the consumer.

How much are you paying when you're NOT working?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

How much are you paying when you're NOT working?

My unemployment gets added to our taxable yearly income, whatever that will be at the end of this year.

[slim 1,533]

My unemployment gets added to our taxable yearly income, whatever that will be at the end of this year.

Is that enough to balance out? I mean, are you paying more than you're taking in?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Is that enough to balance out? I mean, are you paying more than you're taking in?

I honestly don't know. I know that Alaska has about the worst unemployment pay of all 50 states. We either get a big fat raise in our pay and cut our unemployment or we keep our unemployment. Myself I would rather have the raise in pay. I can always find something on my time off, whether it be boiler work, shoveling snow, whatever if it comes down to it. But I haven't heard anything yet about giving us big fat pay raises so I'm guessing this is what it's going to be for now. If you don't pay us then you will have to take up electric cars, bike riding or more walking..whatever for the fact there won't be any fuel to pump into your gas powered vehicle.

[slim 1,533]

I can always find something on my time off, whether it be boiler work, shoveling snow, whatever if it comes down to it.

Then why take tax dollars in the form of unemployment?

But I haven't heard anything yet about giving us big fat pay raises so I'm guessing this is what it's going to be for now. If you don't pay us then you will have to take up electric cars, bike riding or more walking..whatever for the fact there won't be any fuel to pump into your gas powered vehicle.

I'm pretty sure I can find fuel from other sources.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Then why take tax dollars in the form of unemployment?

I'm pretty sure I can find fuel from other sources.

Because they haven't given us big fat pay raises. Blame the companies who are getting tax subsidized. If the government pays us unemployment the companies don't have to jack our pay up. If the government stops paying us unemployment than the companies will have to jack our pay up in order to get the work done. So I'm guessing there's a connection between the companies and the government.

I'm going to make it blunt. All we want is our money one way or another, either fat pay raises on our check and no unemployment ...which I'm sure most of us do want, or we keep the system we have as it is.

No pay, no oil, no bridges, etc.. None of us were born yesterday and we know in order to keep skilled positions filled we need to pay the people that do those jobs. It's been like this for god only knows how many centuries, other than in the Commie countries where everyone gets paid about the same unless they are on the take and/or in someone's pocket.

[slim 1,533]

I'm going to make it blunt.

I'll make it blunt too.

You're stealing money from American tax payers because you're too lazy to fend for yourself or too greedy to use the money you've already earned. The fact that it's legal and that you pay into "a system" doesn't justify it. The fact you think you've earned it or are entitled to it doesn't justify it either. There is no justification for taking money from other people. By doing so you're supporting the government in suppressing liberty.

At the end of the day, you are only a slight step up from a welfare mom. Not because you work, not because you pay into a system... but because you're not reproducing.

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I'm pretty sure I can find fuel from other sources.

Tell us more.

[slim 1,533]

Tell us more.

We stole a whole country full of oil just a few years ago.

It's out there.