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deppeler   1

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I've read conflicting posts as to when you sign the N-445 letter.

Some say on the day before arriving is fine, others say it has to be in front of an immigration officer when you hand in your letter.

The letter doesn't say one way or the other.

Can someone who has RECENTLY gone through their oath ceremony put me straight.

Thanks

My timeline:



  • [00] N-400 Dallas ---------------------------- 02/22/2011
    [03] N-400 Received -------------------------02/25/2011
    [06] PD ------------------------------------------ 02/28/2011
    [07] Check Cashed --------------------------03/01/2011
    [08] NOA: Email/SMS ------------------------03/02/2011
    [10] NOA Received by Mail -----------------03/04/2011
    [14] 'Touched' ---------------------------------03/08/2011
    [14] FP Notice Issued: Email/SMS ------ 03/08/2011
    [18] FP Received by Mail --------------------03/12/2011
    [30] FP Appointment-Done!----------------03/24/2011
    [59] YL--------------------------------------------04/22/2011
    [71] To Local Office Email/SMS ----------05/04/2011
    [74] IL-------------------------------------------- 05/07/2011
    [108]ID------------------------------------------- 06/10/2011 Passed!
    [157] OL Received by Mail ----------------- 07/29/2011
    [185] OD----------------------------------------- 08/26/2011 US Citizen

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Another variable, wife was told she could fill it out, but to sign and date it in front of an officer. We were also at St. Paul with my stepdaughter, did bring a clip board along. No instructions were given this time, told her to fill it out, but don't sign it. She did anyway, was in such a rush to get us in and out of there, they took it anyway.

I would fill it out while waiting in line, just check marks. Can fill in the place if you know how to spell Bloomington, ha, stepdaughter didn't know that, then sign and date it in front of the officer to be on the safe side.

Now in our experience, never had to sign the certificate in front of an officer, just handed it to us and said, leave. Would think that would be the most important part. But do sign your full name as typed in cursive. There you have explicit instructions to do so.

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deppeler   1

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i filled it out and signed it when i got there. right before i handed over my greencard. you dont know what happens on your way to the oath ceremony.

I was not going to fill it out till I got there, but wasn't sure if I could sign it while waiting.

My timeline:



  • [00] N-400 Dallas ---------------------------- 02/22/2011
    [03] N-400 Received -------------------------02/25/2011
    [06] PD ------------------------------------------ 02/28/2011
    [07] Check Cashed --------------------------03/01/2011
    [08] NOA: Email/SMS ------------------------03/02/2011
    [10] NOA Received by Mail -----------------03/04/2011
    [14] 'Touched' ---------------------------------03/08/2011
    [14] FP Notice Issued: Email/SMS ------ 03/08/2011
    [18] FP Received by Mail --------------------03/12/2011
    [30] FP Appointment-Done!----------------03/24/2011
    [59] YL--------------------------------------------04/22/2011
    [71] To Local Office Email/SMS ----------05/04/2011
    [74] IL-------------------------------------------- 05/07/2011
    [108]ID------------------------------------------- 06/10/2011 Passed!
    [157] OL Received by Mail ----------------- 07/29/2011
    [185] OD----------------------------------------- 08/26/2011 US Citizen

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I had my Oath Ceremony Yesterday and I checked the questions at home and signed when I was seated waiting to be called to give the IO the Resident Card . The officers asked us to signed everything before we reached them.

Naturalization Timeline

N400 sent - 03/14/2011 to Lewisville, TX

N-400 Received - 03/17/11

E-mail Notification Acceptance Confirmation Received- 03/22/11

Priority Date- 03/17/11

NOA Date- 03/21/11( Received 03/26/11)

Case updated on USCIS website- FP notice sent 03/28/11

FP letter received 03/31/11

FP Appoinment Date 04/20/11 Done!

E-mail notification Scheduled for Interview Received 06/03/11

Interview Letter received 06/10/11 mailed by USCIS on 06/07

Interview Date 07/12/11 PASSED!!!

Oath Ceremony Date 07/22/11 at Federal Plaza NYC

changed to 07/29/11 at 500 Pearl Street( District Court)

due to name change!

FINALLY I AM A US CITIZEN!!!

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deppeler   1

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I had my Oath Ceremony Yesterday and I checked the questions at home and signed when I was seated waiting to be called to give the IO the Resident Card . The officers asked us to signed everything before we reached them.

Thanks :)

Yes, after reading the letter again:

'...After you have answered every question, sign your name and fill in the date and place of signing, and provide your

current address.

You must bring this completed questionnaire with you to the oath ceremony, as well as the documents indicated on the

front, and give them to the employee of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services at the oath ceremony. You may

be questioned further on your answers at that time...."

It never states to sign it in front of an IO.

My timeline:



  • [00] N-400 Dallas ---------------------------- 02/22/2011
    [03] N-400 Received -------------------------02/25/2011
    [06] PD ------------------------------------------ 02/28/2011
    [07] Check Cashed --------------------------03/01/2011
    [08] NOA: Email/SMS ------------------------03/02/2011
    [10] NOA Received by Mail -----------------03/04/2011
    [14] 'Touched' ---------------------------------03/08/2011
    [14] FP Notice Issued: Email/SMS ------ 03/08/2011
    [18] FP Received by Mail --------------------03/12/2011
    [30] FP Appointment-Done!----------------03/24/2011
    [59] YL--------------------------------------------04/22/2011
    [71] To Local Office Email/SMS ----------05/04/2011
    [74] IL-------------------------------------------- 05/07/2011
    [108]ID------------------------------------------- 06/10/2011 Passed!
    [157] OL Received by Mail ----------------- 07/29/2011
    [185] OD----------------------------------------- 08/26/2011 US Citizen

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If you want to point out how poorly the instructions are written, you could sign the letter the moment you receive it. But since your signature is an oath that everything you filled in is the truth and nothing but the truth, you can't really fill it out before getting into the building because things can happen on the way to the Oath Ceremony that could change your answers. For example, you get pulled over by a cop and cited while driving to the Oath Ceremony. There's no way of knowing whether or not that happened before the time has passed when that would have happened. Since it takes about 2 to 3 seconds to sign the form, it makes sense to fill it out and sign it before handing it over. I filled out mine and signed it in the building, right before going in line to surrender my Green Card.

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all . . . . The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic . . . . There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

President Teddy Roosevelt on Columbus Day 1915

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If you want to point out how poorly the instructions are written, you could sign the letter the moment you receive it. But since your signature is an oath that everything you filled in is the truth and nothing but the truth, you can't really fill it out before getting into the building because things can happen on the way to the Oath Ceremony that could change your answers. For example, you get pulled over by a cop and cited while driving to the Oath Ceremony. There's no way of knowing whether or not that happened before the time has passed when that would have happened. Since it takes about 2 to 3 seconds to sign the form, it makes sense to fill it out and sign it before handing it over. I filled out mine and signed it in the building, right before going in line to surrender my Green Card.

Yes, that's my plan as well :)

My timeline:



  • [00] N-400 Dallas ---------------------------- 02/22/2011
    [03] N-400 Received -------------------------02/25/2011
    [06] PD ------------------------------------------ 02/28/2011
    [07] Check Cashed --------------------------03/01/2011
    [08] NOA: Email/SMS ------------------------03/02/2011
    [10] NOA Received by Mail -----------------03/04/2011
    [14] 'Touched' ---------------------------------03/08/2011
    [14] FP Notice Issued: Email/SMS ------ 03/08/2011
    [18] FP Received by Mail --------------------03/12/2011
    [30] FP Appointment-Done!----------------03/24/2011
    [59] YL--------------------------------------------04/22/2011
    [71] To Local Office Email/SMS ----------05/04/2011
    [74] IL-------------------------------------------- 05/07/2011
    [108]ID------------------------------------------- 06/10/2011 Passed!
    [157] OL Received by Mail ----------------- 07/29/2011
    [185] OD----------------------------------------- 08/26/2011 US Citizen

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