Model predicts 'religiosity gene' will dominate society

[chri'stina 190]

Human understanding of genetics is not advanced enough to answer why certain genes even exist We're barely at the point of knowing they exist at all.

I personally don't have a question about it, I believe God made us that way. But I wonder about what people who don't believe in any God believe about this gene, what the point of it is, in human nature.

Edited January 28, 2011 by chri'stina

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I personally don't have a question about it, I believe God made us that way.

And you have just summed up well the difference between the religious and the secular.

I wonder about what people who don't believe in any God believe about this gene, what the point of it is, in human nature.

There is no need to have an answer for everything. This is a defining characteristic of the non-religious. It's ok to say "I don't know". Science doesn't have all the answers, if it did we wouldn't have scientists anymore.

[chri'stina 190]

And you have just summed up well the difference between the religious and the secular.

Yes that we religious folk are unscientific ignoramuses? I can be interested in and study genes just like anyone else, but one has to think a little bit when they are now saying that there is a religiosity gene in humans about the why.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I categorically reject the notion that there is any such thing as a "religiosity gene." Such a concept is based on bad science, plain and simple.

Bad science?

[chri'stina 190]

There is no need to have an answer for everything. This is a defining characteristic of the non-religious. It's ok to say "I don't know". Science doesn't have all the answers, if it did we wouldn't have scientists anymore.

True, there is a lot I don't know. But I am not willing to not search for answers even if they are hard to find.

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Yes that we religious folk are unscientific ignoramuses?

No. That the religious are all too eager to make up answers to questions that science can not answer.

[chri'stina 190]

No. That the religious are all too eager to make up answers to questions that science can not answer.

Well it's your opinion that they are made up answers and not real answers.

[mawilson 2,133]

I am asking, how did that genetic component come about, in others' opinions? It's just there, for no good reason?

Our ancestors must have gained some evolutionary advantage through their shared religious feelings and fear of God.

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Well it's your opinion that they are made up answers and not real answers.

In my opinion, if an answer can not be scientifically justified then it is made up.

[Amby 490]

everything on the planet came from one single cell. the cells split and multiplied over and over. they evolved. that's why our dna is so similar to the dna of other things.

I blame proteins for turning on the religious gene in people.

[mawilson 2,133]

I blame proteins for turning on the religious gene in people.

I blame HFCS.

[Amby 490]

oh btw genes can turn off later in life. that could explain why some people are religious or have faith when they're younger but lose it as they get older.

[chri'stina 190]

oh btw genes can turn off later in life. that could explain why some people are religious or have faith when they're younger but lose it as they get older.

Actually for a lot of people I know, it was the opposite.

[Amby 490]

Actually for a lot of people I know, it was the opposite.

it goes both ways actually. let me see if I can find something that explains it simply. I've only just started doing genetic research a few weeks ago so my explanation would make sense only to me

[Amby 490]

This is a great question that gets at the root of what our DNA does. People's hair and eye color can change over time, they can become less tolerant of milk as they get older, etc. What is going on?

The quick answer is that for people to get the traits encoded in their genes, the genes need to be turned on. You can think of a gene as a recipe. A recipe in a cookbook does you no good until you open the book, get the ingredients and follow the instructions

The same is true with our genes. In our analogy, the gene is the recipe and the cookbook is the chromosome (a large collection of recipes). The gene needs to be "read" by the cell in order for it to do what it should. An unread brown or black hair recipe will give you blonde hair.

Scientists don't really understand why specifically the eye and hair color genes sometimes turn on later in life. But they do have a pretty good understanding of what is going on with a much simpler case, lactose intolerance. Let's use lactose intolerance to show how eye and hair color might darken (or lighten) over time.

All mammals start out life able to digest milk. Later in life, almost all mammals lose this ability.

Mammals are able to drink milk as youngsters because they make an enzyme called lactase. Lactase breaks lactose down into more digestible sugars.

So why do mammals lose the ability to digest milk as they grow older? Because they lose the ability to make lactase—their lactase gene is turned off.

Almost all genes are simply recipes for specific proteins. In our case, the enzyme lactase is the result of the recipe found in the lactase gene. This is a little like how chocolate chip cookies are the result of a chocolate chip cookie recipe.

So how are genes turned on and off? Genes get turned on and off with a certain kind of protein called a transcription factor (TF). At their simplest, TFs can either turn genes on or off.

TFs are called activators when they turn genes on. Activators work like a bookmark that leads us to the recipe we want. Activators turn genes on by leading the cellular gene-reading machinery to the recipe.

TFs are called repressors when they work to shut off a gene. Repressors are something like a paperclip that sticks the pages of the recipe together so that we skip right over them in our cookbook. Repressors turn genes off by making the recipe invisible to the cellular gene-reading machinery.

Most mammals stop making lactase later in life because a repressor lands near the lactase gene. The repressor makes the gene unable to be read by the cell so you get no lactase. Where did the repressor come from? For reasons we don't understand, the repressor gene is turned on by an activator!

(Many adults can drink milk because they have a mutation in their DNA such that the repressor no longer works. The result? Lactase is still made into adulthood. Click here for more details.)

As you can see, turning genes on and off is incredibly complicated. Hair and eye color can darken over time because the respective genes are turned on. This can happen either by an activator being turned on or a repressor being turned off.

Probably more than you wanted to know but there you are. What I've described is simplified a bit in that there is more than on and off. Genes can also be turned to different levels as well and we didn't even get into how the lactase repressor "knows" to go to the lactase gene and not some other gene. We need to save something for future questions...

http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=63