Ohio and Wisconsin opt out of high speed rail, New York asks for their money

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The biggest advocate of this failed project was a republican.

Corruption knows no bounds.

[AKteacher 103]

The biggest advocate of this failed project was a republican.

I don't count Palin as a Republican (although she likes to call herself one), since so many of her positions run contrary to what the Republican Party (used to) stand for.

Edited November 7, 2010 by AKteacher

[Heracles 417]

Corruption knows no bounds.

True and we all know the biggest source and driver of corruption is money, particularly unequal access to it. Now which party eats, sleeps and breaths money?

This also happens to be the same party who picks and chooses examples of so-called socialism. Ignores Canada's and Australia's impressive success for essentially newborns, yet focuses on the countries that have failed, ironically due to a corrupt government. Funny how your aforementioned comment does not apply under this scenario, then it's simply a case of government has failed period.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Heracles

[Heracles 417]

I don't count Palin as a Republican (although she likes to call herself one), since so many of her positions run contrary to what the Republican Party (used to) stand for.

Compare the Eisenhower repub, who built one of the most amazing technical feats of American history to the modern repub, let alone the teaparty clowns.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

True and we all know the biggest source and driver of corruption is money, particularly unequal access to it.

Now which party eats, sleeps and breaths money?

This also happens to be the same party who picks and chooses examples of so-called socialism. Ignores Canada's and Australia's impressive success for essentially newborns, yet focuses on the countries that have failed, ironically due to a corrupt government. Funny how your aforementioned comment does not apply under this scenario, then it's simply a case of government has failed period.

Don't fool yourself into thinking one party has a lock on corporate largess, but you should know that one party does have a lock on union largess, and collectively outspent their opponents, while whining about "fairness" the whole time.

[Danno 1,228]

Compare the Eisenhower repub, who built one of the most amazing technical feats of American history to the modern repub, let alone the teaparty clowns.

With all that money Obama talked us into giving him.... I thought he was going to do some similar huge project to stimulate job growth... while providing something useful to the longterm interests of the country.

Instead we got millions and billions given to the Van Jones.... to research how windmills might power cars some day.

what a waste of borrowed money and a lost opportunity.

[Heracles 417]

With all that money Obama talked us into giving him.... I thought he was going to do some similar huge project to stimulate job growth... while providing something useful to the longterm interests of the country.

Instead we got millions and billions given to the Van Jones.... to research how windmills might power cars some day.

what a waste of borrowed money and a lost opportunity.

R&D is America's future, perhaps those in middle American states or towns have not received this extremely important memo. These same folks with honestly many having nothing to their name, nothing more than some truck, their guns and a mobile home, claim they know what is best for the country. Flat-out ignoring, albeit due to the ignorance and being naive, the success of people in other countries utilizing a system they swear is the root of evil.

It's common sense that together we do better, hence why it's encouraged in so many private organizations and the military. Nope, not for modern repubs, taxes are the root of evil; rather than a sound means to pool resources together to get the country on track.

PS This is why you will seldom find a double-wide in countries like AUS. The only thing double-wide is the $30K boats many blue-collar workers own, used for fishing.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

"Their money" ????

[mawilson 2,133]

"Their money" ????

Your money. We win, you lose. Sucka!

[Heracles 417]

Yes, the majority of the first world and half the country here, like to pool our taxes together and use this to improve the nation we live in. Particularly, in terms of building and modernizing infrastructure [roads, transportation, recreation, cities, schools and health] and other avenues pertaining to our every day Q.O.L.

Naturally those that disagree tend to be:

• Libertarians
  
• Greedy rich local car dealer owner-esque types but not mega rich - like Gates or Buffet.
  
• Conned middle Americans, tend to cling to guns and/or religious beliefs and/or view of Dems as their enemy
  

The last group is interesting because these people are being tricked from within, by the same people who honestly do not give a #### about them and simply laugh at their misery. Essentially view them as naive and stupid, therefore, basically deserve what they get and their deception. We can see it first-hand from a number of posters on this board.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Heracles

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Yes, the majority of the first world and half the country here, like to pool our taxes together and use this to improve the nation we live in. Particularly, in terms of building and modernizing infrastructure [roads, transportation, recreation, cities, schools and health] and other avenues pertaining to our every day Q.O.L.

Naturally those that disagree tend to be:

• Libertarians
  
• Greedy rich local car dealer owner-esque types but not mega rich - like Gates or Buffet.
  
• Conned middle Americans, tend to cling to guns and/or religious beliefs and/or view of Dems as their enemy
  

The last option is interesting because these people are being tricked from within, by the same people who honestly do not give a #### about them and simply laugh at their misery. Essentially view them as naive and stupid, therefore, basically deserve what they get and their deception. We can see it first-hand from a number of posters on this board.

You know what, I see it as a win-win if states that don't want HSR (as demonstrated by them electing small government types to office) don't get it while states that do want it, do. There is no point in giving the people of Ohio and Wisconsin HSR. They won't use it. New Yorkers will.

[scandal 951]

You know what, I see it as a win-win if states that don't want HSR (as demonstrated by them electing small government types to office) don't get it while states that do want it, do. There is no point in giving the people of Ohio and Wisconsin HSR. They won't use it. New Yorkers will.

Illinois wants it. We need HSR from Chicago-NY. Since Ohio wants out, I suggest we follow the Spread Networks model, the guys who bored through mountainsides to put a straight line 13.3ms RTT dark fiber route Chi-NY. Let's put the HSR through OH by expropriating the rights of way and digging the tunnels below ground with no access points in the state. Who needs Clevelanders on our trains anyway?

[Heracles 417]

You know what, I see it as a win-win if states that don't want HSR (as demonstrated by them electing small government types to office) don't get it while states that do want it, do. There is no point in giving the people of Ohio and Wisconsin HSR. They won't use it. New Yorkers will.

Ironically they are the people who could get the most benefit from it, if implemented correctly, as it allows people to live in remote areas or other cities and work in the growing number of mega-cities. The Ma and Pa days, when you established small towns are gone. Naturally, due to repub backed mega-businesses killing them all but hey, now that they have killed them all off, they're for the small business again. Back to the point, a large number of smaller cities will rely more and more on people commuting and working in mega-cities [hubs]; something simply not possible using the crumbling and congested roads.

PS Perhaps they can win over some Ohioans by installing gun holsters in every seat.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Heracles

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Illinois wants it. We need HSR from Chicago-NY.

You'll have to wait till the Midwest culturally catches up to the NEC. Out here, train travel is normal and no more alien or communist than air travel or pooling down I-95. You guys have a ways to go before you get there. Sorry. We'll take that money now, if ya don't mind. Thanks much.

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Back to the point, a large number of smaller cities will rely more and more on people commuting and working in mega-cities [hubs]; something simply not possible using the crumbling and congested roads..

This will only be true if those jobs in the hubs are high paid. No one is going to be getting on am expensive HSR to commute to their sad little retail or call center job. This is why the train is so popular in NYC and DC suburbs. The jobs commuters commute to pay enough where train fare is affordable.