72% of black babies born to unwed moms

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Require a high school diploma or school enrollment to receive a drivers license if under age 21. Revoke the license if the person drops out of school.

Require school attendance until high school is completed, no dropping out at age 16

Public funding of education through 4 years of college.

No increase in benefits for children born out of wedlock.

No benefits unless mother (parents if there are two) are working or are enrolled in school. FREE child care while they work or are in school.

Educated people are not on welfare. Educated people do not NEED welfare. You have to remove the economic incentive and the NEED for welfare before the demand for it will go away. It will take a while. It will not be easy.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Gary and Alla

[twowls 217]

I think we both agree, there is no simple, easy or fast way to correct the damage that has been done.

Welfare destroys the age old dynamic of admiring, elevating and eventually choosing a mate which will be a asset to the creation of a family.

People must feel... and others must observe a real downside to choosing to bed (and wed) with unstable partners.

While I would never want Children to starve for the errors of their parents, we have done too much ..... to the point where lifestyles which lead to poverty are shielded from the discomfort of poverty.

Why should the "poor" eat better than the working class? NC food stamps gives a family of 3 nearly $400 each month..... thats not "helping feed the poor" that is Govt becoming 100% food provider.

What is so bad about allowing people who drop out of school..... and refuse to take advantage of training programs....with them existing on generic food brands and buying bread from the "day old" shop?

Using Coupons and scrimping to get by, who the "F" are they to expect everyone but themselves will feed them and their kids?

IT's one thing that people have the freedom to live any life style they choose...... it's another to make me subsidize it.

1. "We have done too much....to the point where lifestyles which lead to poverty are shielded from the discomfort of poverty." In your dreams. Please don't speak of a reality of which you know nothing.

2. "Why should the 'poor' eat better than..." They don't. Trust me.

3. What about the national budget, replete with massive payouts for endless war, compels you to focus and vilify the poor to the exclusion of all else? There is a repeated drumbeat (redundancy noted) in these forums concerning the poor, and how hard it is on all the hard-working others to have to have one gabillion of their tax dollars allotted this way. #######???

The question is not, "how lazy are these a*sholes." The question is, why do you people insist on piling on to the segment of society that hurts the most, while all other expenditures go without comment? What is it ABOUT YOU that obsesses over people that only struggle, and fear, and strive constantly?

Again and again, commentary is devoted to the moral/intellectual/sexual/organizational/whatever failings of those with the least. Have you ever wondered what's it's like to try to make things work on minimum wage? Have you ever considered that when your rent accounts for 70% of your income, your life is a conveyor belt of terror?

No, of course not. The scorn in these forums is disgusting.

Of aaaaalllll the things you could hate, you hate the poor. Enthusiastically, tirelessly, vigorously. Are you just afraid of becoming one of them, and knowing how little support you'd actually get as a poor person? Do you hate them because you want to extend the miniscule distance between yourself and them--pretend you're different? Do you hate them because it makes you feel smarter, wiser, bigger, better?

Nobody here is better than the poor. You may think you made your way and that everybody's lot is their own making. False. You all act like someone born on third base, thinking he hit a triple. Shut up. Get back to me when you've tried to support your family on wages that barely cover your rent. WAGES are the problem. RENTS are the problem. Government "handouts," anemic as they are, are not the problem.

Just because you've found an out, doesn't mean you are somehow immune or different. Stop blaming the people that have nothing. Stop making the problem worse with your false equivalencies and your contempt. Most of the people in this country are poor. There's a systemic problem. Quit beating the people that are already beaten. You'll change nothing by hating on those with the least. Unless that's what you want--to maintain the sense of separation so as to secure your notion that you'll never confront such agony.

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Most of the people in this country are poor.

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[Danno 1,228]

1. "We have done too much....to the point where lifestyles which lead to poverty are shielded from the discomfort of poverty." In your dreams. Please don't speak of a reality of which you know nothing.

2. "Why should the 'poor' eat better than..." They don't. Trust me.

3. What about the national budget, replete with massive payouts for endless war, compels you to focus and vilify the poor to the exclusion of all else? There is a repeated drumbeat (redundancy noted) in these forums concerning the poor, and how hard it is on all the hard-working others to have to have one gabillion of their tax dollars allotted this way. #######???

The question is not, "how lazy are these a*sholes." The question is, why do you people insist on piling on to the segment of society that hurts the most, while all other expenditures go without comment? What is it ABOUT YOU that obsesses over people that only struggle, and fear, and strive constantly?

Again and again, commentary is devoted to the moral/intellectual/sexual/organizational/whatever failings of those with the least. Have you ever wondered what's it's like to try to make things work on minimum wage? Have you ever considered that when your rent accounts for 70% of your income, your life is a conveyor belt of terror?

No, of course not. The scorn in these forums is disgusting.

Of aaaaalllll the things you could hate, you hate the poor. Enthusiastically, tirelessly, vigorously. Are you just afraid of becoming one of them, and knowing how little support you'd actually get as a poor person? Do you hate them because you want to extend the miniscule distance between yourself and them--pretend you're different? Do you hate them because it makes you feel smarter, wiser, bigger, better?

Nobody here is better than the poor. You may think you made your way and that everybody's lot is their own making. False. You all act like someone born on third base, thinking he hit a triple. Shut up. Get back to me when you've tried to support your family on wages that barely cover your rent. WAGES are the problem. RENTS are the problem. Government "handouts," anemic as they are, are not the problem.

Just because you've found an out, doesn't mean you are somehow immune or different. Stop blaming the people that have nothing. Stop making the problem worse with your false equivalencies and your contempt. Most of the people in this country are poor. There's a systemic problem. Quit beating the people that are already beaten. You'll change nothing by hating on those with the least. Unless that's what you want--to maintain the sense of separation so as to secure your notion that you'll never confront such agony.

Spoken like a true Liberal *Congrats*.

People point out the failing of Gov't and how the Black Community (in this thread) has paid the price..... and your reply is -Everyone hates the poor.

AS we have come to expect, your long posts end with the predictable lack of substance.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

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If you are not in the top ten percentile, you are poor.

[peejay 327]

If you are not in the top ten percentile, you are poor.

Does that mean I can quit paying taxes?

[Heracles 417]

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I agree with a lot of what you are saying, however can you honestly deny there is a problem with people becoming comfortable on welfare? Yes, even the disgraceful amount they receive. Whether their circumstances was by choice or not is debatable, no denial there; however, what is a choice is to have a child. For example, the AA lady living in a ghetto, who had eight plus kids with different father that was discussed a few months back. Actually had the nerve and audacity to demand to know what the government is doing for her. This attitude is rife within these communities.

I'll be damned if I have a child, when I know I have no means to financially take care of it, let alone 3 to five, then expect the guvmint to take care of both them and me.

Now add in the problem with the growing number of Latino teenage pregnancies, actually the highest of any demographic, close to 40 times that of Caucasians in various states. Who is going to pay for these kids? Who paid for their births? Who is going to pays for their schooling? These are people from the same socioeconomics, yet with totally different pregnancy rates.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Heracles

[SuperDuper! 230]

Does that mean I can quit paying taxes?

You can do anything you want, but you will have to face the consequences.

[Heracles 417]

Spoken like a true Liberal *Congrats*.

People point out the failing of Gov't and how the Black Community (in this thread) has paid the price..... and your reply is -Everyone hates the poor.

AS we have come to expect, your long posts end with the predictable lack of substance.

I wouldn't go there, you still have the highest rate of poverty and unemployment, when compared to countries you guys class as socialist.

This 1800 each-to-their-own approach has failed America in the 21st century. It's also no coincidence that the wealth of individuals [ironic hey] living in countries that you guys deem socialist is rising and rising, while the exact opposite is occurring for the average - non VJ - Americans who apparently defy the trend [norm] of America.

You guys don't hate the poor but you illogically and irrationally assume someone poor a poor American looking for their next meal and corner to sleep in, should magically pull up their bootstraps [with holes in them] and get a job. Get their life together using the $7.50 an hour they will disgracefully earn here, minus health care.

Edited November 8, 2010 by Heracles

[Amby 490]

poor kids...set up for failure at birth.

BY - do you have PM turned off?

[Heracles 417]

poor kids...set up for failure at birth.

BY - do you have PM turned off?

Yeah, I decided to pull a Mark.

[Amby 490]

Yeah, I decided to pull a Mark.

pulling a Mark is letting your inbox fill up so no one can send you a message. you just pulled something else. I'll send you an email.