President John Tyler: The United States is a noble experiment in total separation of Church and State

[Danno 1,228]

I'm not the one with the invisible friend. And you quoted John Henry thus bolstering the RWN myth our founding fathers were all Christians...

I think you yourself are trying to spin Myths, please quote where I claimed "All" the founders where Christians?

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The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.

-John Adams

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I think you yourself are trying to spin Myths, please quote where I claimed "All" the founders where Christians?

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The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.

-John Adams

Alleged quote from John Quincy Adams, sixth President of the United States: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was that it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

This quote is taken from the first edition of David Barton's videotape, “Americas's Godly Heritage.” The original source for this quote is the book, “The Pulpit of the American Revolution 1860” by John Wingate Thornton. This particular quote attributed to John Quincy Adams is not documented with footnotes, nor is it even enclosed in quotation marks as all other quotes in the introduction to his book. Instead, it reads like Thornton's own conclusion about what John Quincy Adams believed. These words are not documented nor attached to a date, and have not been traced back to an original source. Elsewhere in this book, Adam's father, John Adams, is quoted properly with footnotes and quotation marks. In the absence of proper documentation, this quote should be considered questionable at best.

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I may be missing the point here but surely just because someone is christian it doesn't mean they don't also believe in a separation of church and state.

[Danno 1,228]

I may be missing the point here but surely just because someone is christian it doesn't mean they don't also believe in a separation of church and state.

Or that Just because someone is a deist or even an Atheist, it doesn't mean they know the difference between that and "establishing a Church" or "prohibiting free exercise there of".

[Danno 1,228]

Alleged quote from John Quincy Adams, sixth President of the United States: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was that it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

This quote is taken from the first edition of David Barton's videotape, “Americas's Godly Heritage.” The original source for this quote is the book, “The Pulpit of the American Revolution 1860” by John Wingate Thornton. This particular quote attributed to John Quincy Adams is not documented with footnotes, nor is it even enclosed in quotation marks as all other quotes in the introduction to his book. Instead, it reads like Thornton's own conclusion about what John Quincy Adams believed. These words are not documented nor attached to a date, and have not been traced back to an original source. Elsewhere in this book, Adam's father, John Adams, is quoted properly with footnotes and quotation marks. In the absence of proper documentation, this quote should be considered questionable at best.

YOu took some time to look into that, I appreciate that.

If you care to double check this posting, it should be much easier.

Take note how each State felt it necessary to incorporate God into the Preambles of the most important Document: Their State Constitution.

How firmly could this concept of a "wall" have been in place?

See if you can find your state.

Alabama 1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the

favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following

Constitution ..

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to

those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land ..

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona, grateful to

Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful

to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California,

grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence

for the Supreme Ruler of Universe .

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with

gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy ...

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature,

the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the

dictates

of

their consciences .

Florida 1845, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to

Almighty God for our constitutional liberty ... establish this

Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection

and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine

Guidance . establish this Constitution

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings ..

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful

to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath

so

long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our

endeavors

.

Indiana 1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana, grateful to

Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of

government

..

Iowa 1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the

Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence

on Him for a continuation of these blessings ... establish this Constitution

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God

for our civil and religious privileges . establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth of grateful to

Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful

to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy ..

Maine 1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine .. acknowledging with grateful

hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us

an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction

Maryland 1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland, grateful

to Almighty God or our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts,

acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of

the

Universe...in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly

imploring His

direction ...

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan, grateful

to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom ... establish this Constitution

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota,

grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to

perpetuate

its

blessings

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention

assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence

for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ..

establish this Constitution ..

Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God

for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our

freedom .. establish this Constitution

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom . establish this Constitution ..

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural

and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own

conscience .

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey,

grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so

long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our

endeavors

.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of liberty ..

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful

to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings .

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina,

grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil,

political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon

Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to

Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our

common

..

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to

secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure

in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of

their consciences .

Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to

Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly

invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island

grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath

so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of the State of South

Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this

Constitution

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to

Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties . establish this

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible

right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their

conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas, acknowledging,

with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we

establish this Constitution .

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the

individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other

blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ...

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI ... Religion, or the Duty which we owe

our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual

duty

of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each

other

...

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington,

grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain

this

Constitution .

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the

blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West

Virginia .. reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God .

Wisconsin 1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty

God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming 1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming, grateful to

God for our civil, political, and religious liberties ... establish this

Constitution .

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No doubt "God" gets tossed out quite a bit Danno. But in Revolutionary times it was a referral to Nature for many, common language used but not necessarily referring to Christianity or the Christian God.

By the by, science has progressed considerably since that time...

[Danno 1,228]

No doubt "God" gets tossed out quite a bit Danno. But in Revolutionary times it was a referral to Nature for many, common language used but not necessarily referring to Christianity or the Christian God.

By the by, science has progressed considerably since that time...

I was surprised you threw that out there with nothing to add credence to the claim.

Applying your definition of what "God" means

If we wrote a law which said... YOu can not hold public office... unless you believe in "God or a supreme being" would you be ok with that, if not, why not?

Edited September 24, 2010 by Danno