A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wouldn't that be a whole lot wiser and more satisfying? I mean, surely having sex with someone who wants to have sex with you, who enjoys having sex with you is a bunch better than having sex with a 'rented #######' to use Slim's colourful language. Are you guys simply unable to tell when a woman is sexually aroused?

I do wonder how guys who look at women's bodies in materialistic terms - as receptacles for their own pleasure can go on to having fulfilling adult relationships.

Since we started this topic, I've done a little research on another board - and one surprising opinion I came across was that for quite a few of these men, there is an element of addiction to that lifestyle. They stop pursuing women romantically because it becomes convenient to pick up the phone and dial-a-**. Also came across a few threads where younger men (late teens - early twenties) were asking for "provider recommendations" and were being warned off by the older ones for this very reason. Quite unpleasant reading, but some interesting personalities on display.

[slim 1,533]

sex with a willing, sexually aroused partner is a whole bunch more fun than sex with someone who is going through the motions

I know that. But it usually costs more. You get what you pay for.

[Peikko 1,575]

I do wonder how guys who look at women's bodies in materialistic terms - as receptacles for their own pleasure can go on to having fulfilling adult relationships.

Since we started this topic, I've done a little research on another board - and one surprising opinion I came across was that for quite a few of these men, there is an element of addiction to that lifestyle. They stop pursuing women romantically because it becomes convenient to pick up the phone and dial-a-**. Also came across a few threads where younger men (late teens - early twenties) were asking for "provider recommendations" and were being warned off by the older ones for this very reason. Quite unpleasant reading, but some interesting personalities on display.

The mind boggles.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What's that have to do with this topic? Are you still feeling sorry for the poor hookers? Mad at the guys who "make them do it?"

If you have to ask then you've clearly failed to understand the argument.

You characterise women in derogatory terms as a way of justifying a sex industry that exists and thrives because of patriarchal social ideologies.

[slim 1,533]

Speak for yourself. I have known plenty of men who got aroused merely at the thought of genuine arousal on the part of a woman.

I do too. However, sometimes women aren't aroused when a man is and a man is able to give another woman money to make her aroused.

Clearly, for you sex is a form of rape - not caring is really what that amounts to.

Or a business transaction.

I do wonder how guys who look at women's bodies in materialistic terms - as receptacles for their own pleasure can go on to having fulfilling adult relationships.

Here we go again with this relationship #######.

Since we started this topic, I've done a little research on another board - and one surprising opinion I came across was that for quite a few of these men, there is an element of addiction to that lifestyle. They stop pursuing women romantically because it becomes convenient to pick up the phone and dial-a-**. Also came across a few threads where younger men (late teens - early twenties) were asking for "provider recommendations" and were being warned off by the older ones for this very reason. Quite unpleasant reading, but some interesting personalities on display.

Yeah, it's surprising guys would get addicted to having sex with women and not having to listen to them b!tch all the time. Shocking, actually.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If she's not happy, she should raise her rates or quit doing it.

If she's going through the motions, that's not rape, that's greed - on her part.

Once again, assuming that the amount of money (any amount of money) is adequate compensation for the social and pyschological consequences of that lifestyle; or indeed that the woman has viable career options available to her other than prostitution.

As to the bolded - that makes no sense. Perhaps when the "John" purchases the services of a prostitute he is expecting the woman to put on some sort of performance for him. Perhaps he is disappointed when the woman isn't into him or won't do exactly what he wants her to do. Perhaps the guy doesn't realise that human beings are not robots.

Yeah, it's surprising guys would get addicted to having sex with women and not having to listen to them b!tch all the time. Shocking, actually.

The more this thread goes on, the more apparent it is that you have serious issues with women. If that's your attitude I feel sorry for your wife.

Edited July 26, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

If you have to ask then you've clearly failed to understand the argument.

You characterise women in derogatory terms as a way of justifying a sex industry that exists and thrives because of patriarchal social ideologies.

Does the same apply to the homosexual hooker?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Does the same apply to the homosexual hooker?

Or hookers that offer themselves to same sex Johns but are not actually gay?

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Or hookers that offer themselves to same sex Johns but are not actually gay?

You got some "research" on that too?

[slim 1,533]

If you have to ask then you've clearly failed to understand the argument.

Or I disagree with it and I'm posting my question as a counterpoint.

You characterise women in derogatory terms as a way of justifying a sex industry that exists and thrives because of patriarchal social ideologies.

No, I characterize women in a way that they've accepted being placed into since the beginning of time.

Once again, assuming that the amount of money (and amount of money) is adequate compensation for the social and pyschological consequences of that lifestyle; or indeed that the woman has viable career options available to her other than prostitution.

She doesn't have to be a prostitute if she doesn't want to.

As to the bolded - that makes no sense. Perhaps when the "John" purchases the services of a prostitute he is expecting the woman to put on some sort of performance for him. Perhaps he is disappointed when the woman isn't into him or won't do exactly what he wants her to do. Perhaps the guy doesn't realise that human beings are not robots.

Perhaps he doesn't care and just pays her to lay there while he gets his gratification.

The more this thread goes on, the more apparent it is that you have serious issues with women. If that's your attitude I feel sorry for your wife.

You should meet my wife!

Does the same apply to the homosexual hooker?

Not according to some. It would be impossible because the hookers are blameless in all this. There's no judgement for them, only the despicable johns that perpetuate this industry from the beginning of time until now.

[Peikko 1,575]

I know that. But it usually costs more. You get what you pay for.

No, it usually costs nothing - unless you are trying to have sex with a woman without being honest about your intentions or you believe that the sexual act is all one big game of manipulation. You are wrong by the way, plenty of women enjoy sex for its own sake and will enjoy it on a casual basis, without any mind games being necessary.

[Ban Hammer 14,640]

these might work better

as long as it's not a 12 volt deep cycle marine battery, amby is safe.

[slim 1,533]

No, it usually costs nothing - unless you are trying to have sex with a woman without being honest about your intentions or you believe that the sexual act is all one big game of manipulation.

Or unless it's prostitution which, I will agree, works a lot better when folks are honest about things up front. Nothing like getting back-doored, if you know what I mean.

You are wrong by the way, plenty of women enjoy sex for its own sake and will enjoy it on a casual basis, without any mind games being necessary.

But those women aren't typically available on demand. Well, not for free, anyway.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You should meet my wife!

What does your wife think?

[Ban Hammer 14,640]

I think people have a lot of moral, ethical, and religious reasons why they oppose prostitution. People have different "moral codes" and people also tend to bend things one way or another based on their religious affiliation. Trying to get people to agree about prostitution is like trying to get people to agree on abortion.

a hard ####### has no conscience.