A qusestion to men who would pay for sex...

[DEDixon 39]

I love how your justification for this is a matter of someone else's responsibility and not your own.

whatever man, you are the one that won't answer simple questions and you are the one with the low opinion of women's impowerment. i'm super surprised that an extreme liberal regards women as basically powerless. sheds a light on you that i didn't think existed.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So, what is your answer to stop this outrage? Should just the customers get arrested in prostitution sweeps? Should just the prostitute be prosecuted? Or should they both be punished for engaging in this activity? I'm assuming that you believe prostitution should be illegal since you take issue with the men that buy sex.

You assume wrong, way wrong actually. And I'm not going to repeat myself again. Had enough of that in the closed thread that prompted this one. If you're interested I'd suggest you look there.

[slim 1,533]

I find it interesting you're posting here at all since this is a thread for men who would pay for sex.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

whatever man, you are the one that won't answer simple questions and you are the one with the low opinion of women's impowerment. i'm super surprised that an extreme liberal regards women as basically powerless. sheds a light on you that i didn't think existed.

Womens empowerment? Prostitution? What a load of $hit.

You have to reverse it because you don't want to admit that paying for sex makes you morally and ethically corrupt.

I find it interesting you're posting here at all since this is a thread for men who would pay for sex.

I don't find you very interesting.

[slim 1,533]

You have to reverse it because you don't want to admit that paying for sex makes you morally and ethically corrupt.

So how about drug users? Are they morally and ethically corrupt as well?

Also, you never answered the question about the whole drug user/drug dealer thing. Do you look upon drug users as worse people than drug dealers?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Those issues are not analogous. I don't see how it is relevant.

[KaiserD 12]

If it's legal right now then why are they wrong to not want it taken away?

Because approving the sexualisation of children, not young looking high schoolers, actual children is wrong no matter how you slice it. It is irrelevant if it involves a real child or not.

Edited July 24, 2010 by KaiserD

[Ban Hammer 14,297]

OK you do not say anything, for the obvious reasons, but what would you think? Would you be disappointed? Not bothered? Delighted? I personally would feel disappointed if a child of mine chose to sell their body for sex as a choice of profession, whether or not I tried to dissuade them from doing so, which I would on grounds of safety but also based on my personal values on sexual activity and relationships. If despite all that they were determined to do so, I would of course support them as a person, regardless of what I thought about this choice.

i think i've said plenty, so don't try to say i haven't. you keep adding to and adding to the questions, yet i've answered them all.

disappointed? bothered? delighted? no idea, i suppose i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Because approving the sexualisation of children, not young looking high schoolers, actual children is wrong no matter how you slice it. It is irrelevant if it involves a real child or not.

A lot of weird stuff like that comes out of Japan - there is something wrong at a fundamental level with sexualised depictions of children being sold for profit.

[DEDixon 39]

Womens empowerment? Prostitution? What a load of $hit.

You have to reverse it because you don't want to admit that paying for sex makes you morally and ethically corrupt.

haha, take a look, a woman that runs 10 freelance bothels. so much for your weak woman scenario. in Germany alone, they are serving 1.2 million clients a day so for you, there sure are a lot of despicable men taking advantage of the weak women in the prostitution industry. oh so shameful for the men to patronize a legal business, eh? all the while, you support abortion, something from more vile. i find it amazing that you, a strong liberal, is crying a river over a choice women make.

BERLIN A leading German prostitute said Friday the government was damaging the legalized prostitution industry with its drive to collect taxes and plans to fine businesses that don't hire trainees.

Molly Luft, operator of a famous Berlin brothel with 10 freelance staff, said the government's moves would harm a profession that employs 400,000 in Germany and has annual sales of $7.19 billion.

"People just don't have the money to pay for sex anymore," said Luft, 60, referring to the country's stagnant economy and the new tax pressures.

"Who can pay more than they can afford? These law changes will be disastrous for brothel operators," she said in an interview with Reuters Television.

German lawmakers have started looking for ways to more effectively collect taxes from prostitutes after the Federal Audit Office scolded the government for squandering some two billion euros ($2.4 billion) a year in lost tax revenues.

A parliamentary committee is expected to soon propose new measures to improve the tax take from red light districts because the government's budget deficit is worsening.

At the same time, the lower house of parliament Friday passed a separate law that will fine companies that fail to hire at least one apprentice for each 15 staff workers and brothels would not be exempt from financial penalties.

"My God, I can't imagine the consequences because of the special circumstances of the trade," she said, when asked about the government's plans and the double blow her business faces.

"It would be terrible. Prostitution attracts women who can't usually cope with a regular job and have never really learned general skills on punctuality, reliability.

"These women come and go as they please," said Luft, who has appeared on television talk shows and is one of the country's most outspoken prostitutes. "They don't think about record keeping and taxes."

Law changes in recent years to force prostitutes out of the underground economy and into legitimate tax-paying businesses have failed to make any headway, she said.

Prostitutes can get health insurance and retirement benefits and trade unions have tried to bring prostitution out of the shadows by drawing up standard contracts after the government passed a law in 2001 allowing them to sue their clients for mistreatment or failing to pay fees.

But very few sex workers have taken advantage of that.

Prostitutes serve an estimated 1.2 million clients a day. Nearly two-thirds work in bars, clubs or brothels. About one-sixth work on streets and the rest operate as call girls or escorts. Lobby groups have said workers can earn between $6,000 and $12,000 per month.

Edited July 24, 2010 by DEDixon

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

haha, take a look, a woman that runs 10 freelance bothels. so much to your weak woman scenario. in Germany alone, they are serving 1.2 million clients a day so for you, there sure are a lot of despicable men taking advantage of the weak women in the prostitution industry. oh so shameful for the men to patronize a legal business, eh? all the while, you support abortion, something from more vile. i find it amazing that you, a strong liberal, is crying a river over a choice women make.

Beautiful, lets try to make out that abortion is analogous somehow to prostitution. Whatever route of discourse failure shall we travel down next?

I would say that in the German scenario, that is how prostitution should be operated: openly and with regulatory oversight with support services for the protection of the prostitutes (and to ensure that the women are there of their own will and not forced into it by sex traffickers). I said as much in the other thread actually (there - I'm repeating myself again. All because a few self-righteous panderers are too steamed up to bother reading it)

However, if you are trying to convince me that that this is a typical example of prostitution, well... that's a ####### I'm not buying.

In either case, legal or no, I believe that a man who uses the services of a prostitute is despicable (I believe I said this as well).

[Peikko 1,575]

i think i've said plenty, so don't try to say i haven't. you keep adding to and adding to the questions, yet i've answered them all.

disappointed? bothered? delighted? no idea, i suppose i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

You are free to answer questions as you see fit Charles, no one is holding any guns to your head. If you choose not to, that's perfectly ok, but in case you don't get it, I asked because I am interested in what you really think about prostitution (as per the specific question posted in the OP - not some other question about being a porn star which is different) if the prostitute is a member of your immediate family (and a hypothetical child is as good a close relative as any) and if there is any discomfort about a member of the immediate family being one, how does that square with those who use prostitutes. However, you don't want to discuss it further, and that is your choice.

The only person who has volunteered, very bravely, that they use prostitutes has used the argument that if the woman chooses to sell her body, who is he to argue with that choice? I find that a strange way to justify one's own actions.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It shouldn't be a difficult question to answer - if people are being honest with themselves.

I wouldn't want to have a daughter turn to prostitution, I doubt very much any parent would. The only reason someone would defer addressing that point is either that they are not taking the topic seriously, or that they (for whatever reason) don't want to address the ethical aspects of prostitution.

DEDixon doesn't want to do that - hence he's putting the responsibility onto the women who provide the services that he apparently used.

How hard is it to rationalise one's own behaviour?

Edited July 24, 2010 by Its a MADHOUSE

[Peikko 1,575]

Certainly one is drawn to the conclusion that men who use prostitutes see the women who do that sort of work as different to the type of women they want in their families. I'll throw another one out there, how many men who think paying for sex is fine and dandy would marry a prostitute? If not, why not?

[Amby 490]

I wouldn't marry a prostitute. Not a male.