Gifts for Proof Ongoing relationship

[tom&tanya 48]

I see your points. I guess there are some Consulates that look for any reason to deny. I'm glad Kiev isn't one of them!

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

I see your points. I guess there are some Consulates that look for any reason to deny. I'm glad Kiev isn't one of them!

There just are not a lot of "red flags" that go through the Kiev consulate. I would not say it is so much that other consulates "look for reasons to deny" I don't think they do. I think they are aware that people in the country they serve abuse the liberal immigration policies of family visas for nefarious reasons. when they see cases that go against ALL normal regional traditions over and over...what are they to think? The couples that come through the Kiev consulate resemble no less the Ukrainian couples one sees on the streets in Kiev.

While it is hugely unusual for a Muslim Morrocan man, for example, to marry a non-Muslim woman older than he is, that has previously been married and has children from another man...it is not at all unusual for a 23 year old Ukrainian woman to marry a 45 year old divorced Ukrainian man. Religion is not an issue, previous marriages are not an issue and few Ukrainian women will marry a man younger than them, it is kind of self enforcing. In a country where it would be very unusual for a person to accept money from strangers or for men to accept money from women, for example, money transfers would be a big deal. In Ukraine there are thousands, literally thousands, of young women who will gladly share your flat, be your "friend with benefits" and live that way for as long as they can in exchange for you paying their rent and food. Alla says Donetsk is loaded with young girls mostly from surrounding villages that have been hard hit by the economic times, that are seeking just such arrangements, much more than usual. What I am saying is that such an arrangement for money exchange in Ukraine is not considered evidence of a serious relationship. Nor is it considered "fraud". It is just one of many possible living arrangements.

The fraud in the FSU tends to be of the internet kind, not the kind that gets to the consulate for visa applications.

[Mr&Mrs.Boo 5]

hey i don t agre with the fact that wu is not a prof in the moment we got engaged my fiance ask me to move at my parents house and not work anymore so we can stay non stop on winows live messanger and i move o my parents touse to have some months to say good bye and arange our unoficial wedding here but he sayed that he will support me in these perioud and he is ...i m going to say at the interviw that is a proff of the relation because when u love u leave all behing and concentrate at the future and in our case was the wedding here and the k1 visa.

[Utha 10]

I sent a western union money order reciept in as proof. My fiance wanted a fish tank for his birthday, it was x amount of $ ... I think I sent him enough to pay for 1/2 of it as a birthday present. Its not like I could buy one and ship it down. This way he got what he wanted and I helped a bit, plus he got what he wanted instead of me buying something he wouldnt like. But I have also sent him clothes - hockey stuff, its the Canadian in me eh .. I couldnt help it. Hes sent me Dallas Cowboys stuff. Both those exchanges were Christmas presents. We have exchanged cards, he has sent me chocolate, Ive sent him hershy kisses for valentines day one year.

I think keeping it real is whats its about. Would you do this is you were with that person ie: give them money to buy what they wanted on a special occasion. Or are you trying to " buy " into a marriage.

Someone said here once ... look at it from a third person point of view, what do you think they think when seeing this " proof ".

I personaly see nothing wrong with western union money orders, but I can also understand how that third person may see it differently.

Thank you for the feedback BlueBonnet.

[Utha 10]

Thank you for everybody who gave the feedback. I do really appreciate your kindness to spend a little time to care about my problem. I wish best for all of you.