LIne Item, Yay or Nay

[Dan T 8]

Don't agree on the abortion part ..to a certain degree. Last time I checked birth control wasn't 100%. If something happened with the contraceptive & the girl/woman got pregnant, she should be allowed to have an abortion if she chooses.

i have no issue with it being legal, it should remain legal. What i have an issue with is it being used as a primary source of birth control by genetically irresponsible people. and I have a big issue with my tax dollars being used to pay for someone that I didn't knock up.

[CDAgirlMI 51]

As I mentioned before, I read it wrong. Of course it should be legal.

So if a woman is raped (therefore covered under the health care law), how do you prove that?

I think a lot of women would BS to get it for free.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

As I mentioned before, I read it wrong. Of course it should be legal.

So if a woman is raped (therefore covered under the health care law), how do you prove that?

I think a lot of women would BS to get it for free.

Well, that's pretty cynical. I suspect it would involve more than checking a box on a form.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Well, that's pretty cynical. I suspect it would involve more than checking a box on a form.

A felony charge no doubt.

[Dan T 8]

As I mentioned before, I read it wrong. Of course it should be legal.

So if a woman is raped (therefore covered under the health care law), how do you prove that?

I think a lot of women would BS to get it for free.

fair enough, i suspect we would prolly be of similar mind on this issue if we really hashed it out. and i do think it would be as simple as checking a box considering how freely planned parenthood hands out free abortions even without this bill. in the interest of full disclosure to anyone who chooses to agree with or attack me i have consented to 3 abortions by 2 different women due to the fact that I did not view these women as potential life long partners and thought it would have been cruel to raise a child in that environment coupled with the crippling effect that an unfightable child support charge would have been slapped on me. for all 3 of these however no government or charity money was used to cover these costs, and I have vowed never to consent to another abortion of a conception that i participated in. those experiences have taught me to be more selective in the process of chosing a sexual partner and i am now with a person that i would gladly have as many babies with as my income can support, and that includes medical costs. that is until obama and co decide to limit how many we are allowed to have

[slim 1,533]

It baffles me that this debate has continually centered around abortion and illegals as opposed to the constitutionality of requiring citizens to purchase a service from private companies.

My favorite argument has to be "what's next?" I like that one because if we're dumb enough to believe this ####### here, what are they going to try next? As someone posted above, is it not too extreme to see them limiting kids in the near future? Is it not too extreme to see them prohibit smoking, drinking, fast food, etc.?

When is Uncle Sam's hand pushing you through your own life going to finally be too much for you to take?

Then again, I'm talking to a complete society of people who're so fed up with their own lives that they'd rather watch other peoples' "reality" on TV.

Baaaah. Baaaaaaaaaaah.

[Dan T 8]

I tried making a poll, but apparently the kinks haven't been worked out yet, so I'll just list the various parts of the health care bill as bullet points, and anyone replying can copy and paste the bullet points along with their 'yays' and 'nays'.

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Line Item, Yay or Nay - which of the following do you approve or disapprove of in the final health care bill that passed?

(apologies for the extra bullets...the editor doesn't allow me to adjust line spacing)

• Would expand coverage to 32 million Americans who are currently uninsured.
• Individuals and families who make between 100 percent - 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL) and want to purchase their own health insurance on an exchange are eligible for subsidies. They cannot be eligible for Medicare, Medicaid and cannot be covered by an employer. Eligible buyers receive premium credits and there is a cap for how much they have to contribute to their premiums on a sliding scale.
• Closes the Medicare prescription drug "donut hole" by 2020. Seniors who hit the donut hole by 2010 will receive a $250 rebate.
• Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap will receive a 50 percent discount on brand name drugs.
• Beginning in 2011, seniors in the gap will receive a 50 percent discount on brand name drugs. The bill also includes $500 billion in Medicare cuts over the next decade.
• Six months after enactment, insurance companies could no longer denying children coverage based on a preexisting condition.
• Starting in 2014, insurance companies cannot deny coverage to anyone with preexisting conditions.
• Insurance companies must allow children to stay on their parent's insurance plans until age 26th.
• No federal funds can be used to pay for abortions except in the case of rape, incest or health of the mother.
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• Illegal immigrants will not be allowed to buy health insurance in the exchanges -- even if they pay completely with their own money.
• Technically, there is no employer mandate. Employers with more than 50 employees must provide health insurance or pay a fine of $2000 per worker each year if any worker receives federal subsidies to purchase health insurance. Fines applied to entire number of employees minus some allowances.
• In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.
• Expands Medicaid to include 133 percent of federal poverty level which is $29,327 for a family of four.
• Illegal immigrants are not eligible for Medicaid.

is this the senate bill that already passed or is it the reconciliation bill that has to still get passed by the senate

[CDAgirlMI 51]

fair enough, i suspect we would prolly be of similar mind on this issue if we really hashed it out. and i do think it would be as simple as checking a box considering how freely planned parenthood hands out free abortions even without this bill. in the interest of full disclosure to anyone who chooses to agree with or attack me i have consented to 3 abortions by 2 different women due to the fact that I did not view these women as potential life long partners and thought it would have been cruel to raise a child in that environment coupled with the crippling effect that an unfightable child support charge would have been slapped on me. for all 3 of these however no government or charity money was used to cover these costs, and I have vowed never to consent to another abortion of a conception that i participated in. those experiences have taught me to be more selective in the process of chosing a sexual partner and i am now with a person that i would gladly have as many babies with as my income can support, and that includes medical costs. that is until obama and co decide to limit how many we are allowed to have

You don't have to answer this if you don't want...but why wasn't protection used? I think the reasoning " oh, we're not going to get pregnant" or " it was the heat of the moment" is no excuse. What was on their mind?

Especially the one girl mentioned that got pregnant twice! Really?

I don't want to put the blame on the woman in any case, but it's the woman who has to go through it (abortion or give birth).

[Dan T 8]

You don't have to answer this if you don't want...but why wasn't protection used? I think the reasoning " oh, we're not going to get pregnant" or " it was the heat of the moment" is no excuse. What was on their mind?

Especially the one girl mentioned that got pregnant twice! Really?

I don't want to put the blame on the woman in any case, but it's the woman who has to go through it (abortion or give birth).

in all 3 cases my depression over being in relationships with women that I didnt really want to spend my life with, made worse by feeling like the person, or type of person, that I would want wouldnt ever have sex with me much less get into a relationship with me overode all sense of adherence to responsible behavior.

the girl that got pregnant twice--- on the first time around her sexual enjoyment, and therefore mine, was heightened by reminding each other of the risk of pregnancy at key moments. no birth control was even contemplated.

the 2nd time was honestly a contraceptive failure.

in all 3 cases i had resolved that i would rather die than have to raise a child with either of the 2 women, and it was not until about 6 months into the relationship I started with my now wife who is represented by the irish flag on my profile, which was about 4 years after leaving the 2 times girl above, that I realised what a fool i was for dipping my wick into women that I knew before hand that I would not spend my life with. My wife changed my entire perception of what levels of happiness were possible for me and ended my depression forever. Ironically my wife has a thyroid condition that makes conception very difficult without proper hormone replacement that is too expensive for us currently.

people might ask, given this, why am i not in favor of health care reform. My primary retort is that our healthcare would not be so astronomically expensive to begin with if Doctors did not have to insure themselves against astronomical frivolous lawsuits and if the system wasnt breaking under the constant flood of illegals from over our southern border. This bill does nothing to stem the tide, and amnesty for the illegals currently here, and future border jumpers as well, is coming before the 2010 elections. Without addressing these issues punishing insurance companies' abuse of their policy holders will do little to cut our healthcare costs. It is nothing but a political handout from obama/pelosi/reid et all to the poor, unions, and minorities that got them elected. I need give no further evidence than point to the delay on taxing the high-value insurance plans that the uaw has enjoyed for far too long. This union has it's own private golf course ffs how many more handouts do they need?

wow thats a lot to squeeze into 1 post.

i welcome the questions and the attacks. while some components in my past are indefensible I stand by my convictions with full force against this health care bill.

[Nagishkaw 510]

in all 3 cases i had resolved that i would rather die than have to raise a child with either of the 2 women

Certainly Im not judging you or pointing a finger, but it does seem a bit selfish on your part. So three human beings had to be sacrificed and pushed out of the way so you could go on living ?

[Dan T 8]

Certainly Im not judging you or pointing a finger, but it does seem a bit selfish on your part. So three human beings had to be sacrificed and pushed out of the way so you could go on living ?

putting aside the fact that I dont consider the aborted fetuses to have been human beings I do concede that it was a terribly selfish act on my part, one which i am deeply remoresful for and have resolved not to repeat. I do not stand in defense of my behavior and I wish I could erase these abortions from my past, and the conscience of the 2 women involved. However, if given the chance to go back I would choose never to have conceived with them in the first place, not allow those fetuses, zygotes to be more specific, to develop fully into human beings.

and yes you are pointing fingers, dont be shy about it.

[My Name Is Nobody 3]

When is Uncle Sam's hand pushing you through your own life going to finally be too much for you to take?

Forget it. I tried asking this question in another thread. I got a bunch of mumble jumble about Canada and Australia.

They really dont have an answer. I think they are so insecure about life that the only outlet they have is Big Brother. He makes them feel good. He is the so called equalizer. Sad but true.

I would say the answer is......... when they feel it is too much it is to late. The damage will have been done and we cant go back.

It is easy to see how oppressive goverments can come into power. I always wondered how a society could allow a goverment to take complete control. My eyes are being opened.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

It baffles me that this debate has continually centered around abortion and illegals as opposed to the constitutionality of requiring citizens to purchase a service from private companies.

My favorite argument has to be "what's next?" I like that one because if we're dumb enough to believe this ####### here, what are they going to try next? As someone posted above, is it not too extreme to see them limiting kids in the near future? Is it not too extreme to see them prohibit smoking, drinking, fast food, etc.?

When is Uncle Sam's hand pushing you through your own life going to finally be too much for you to take?

Then again, I'm talking to a complete society of people who're so fed up with their own lives that they'd rather watch other peoples' "reality" on TV.

Baaaah. Baaaaaaaaaaah.

The sheep will just call you an extremist/say you're overreacting to things. Government isn't bad at all and not run by people who have thoughts too like you and me.

It should be pretty simple: If someone on the 'outside' is thinking it, it's pretty rest assured that someone on the 'inside' is trying to figure out a way to do it.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Forget it. I tried asking this question in another thread. I got a bunch of mumble jumble about Canada and Australia.

They really dont have an answer. I think they are so insecure about life that the only outlet they have is Big Brother. He makes them feel good. He is the so called equalizer. Sad but true.

I would say the answer is......... when they feel it is too much it is to late. The damage will have been done and we cant go back.

It is easy to see how oppressive goverments can come into power. I always wondered how a society could allow a goverment to take complete control. My eyes are being opened.

In understanding the founding of this country, this was warned about so long ago now. The founders even said 'it won't last' because it's the natural inclination of man/nature to lose freedom and lose to oppression.

It's amusing really that they were right.

People want to use the whole "technology" argument, but technology has nothing to do with it. The key core at any of it and all of it, is human nature and man's desire to be in power/control. Some are leaders, some are followers, and some are the sheep that force everyone who just wants to be left alone to be followers as well.

The question always is, how much of a beating are a people willing to take before they fight back.

The problem today is the Government no longer fears the people and THAT is the most dangerous aspect we have today.

[Nagishkaw 510]

putting aside the fact that I dont consider the aborted fetuses to have been human beings I do concede that it was a terribly selfish act on my part, one which i am deeply remoresful for and have resolved not to repeat. I do not stand in defense of my behavior and I wish I could erase these abortions from my past, and the conscience of the 2 women involved. However, if given the chance to go back I would choose never to have conceived with them in the first place, not allow those fetuses, zygotes to be more specific, to develop fully into human beings.

and yes you are pointing fingers, dont be shy about it.

It's ok, I certainly am not putting you on trial here but merely trying to understand your logic. Thank you kindly for your honest answer.

We all make mistakes in life that we regret. But remember, it's not where you have been but where you are going, amen?