Major Blow to Homophobes: SCOTUS Refuses to Block Gay Marriage in DC

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I don't believe any regular citizen should legally be able to own a firearm. However, it's legal. I wish it weren't. So I understand this concept.

It's not just legal, it's Constitutional. Gay marriage is not.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Interracial and gay marriage are two different things for sure but they have a lot in common when it comes to one of the often cited reasons as to why same sex marriage needs to be banned - the violation of cultural norms. Interracial marriage was banned for precisely that reason. You actually cited that particular reason yourself earlier so you created the very parallel between the two that you're now complaining about.

Not sure what insult you're talking about - I can assure you that my marriage to my wife is not in the least affected by whether homosexuals are granted the right to marry the person they love and want to commit to. I don't see how that would change anything in my marriage.

As for the public sentiment, you know, maybe we ought to just put away with parts of the Constitution that are bothersome to live up to. I'll just put a little paragraph into the post but do encourage you to read The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage - a very good argument put forth by Ted Olson who has partnered with David Boies to persuade federal courts to invalidate California's Prop 8 which I am sure you're aware is one of the products of this seemingly unconstitutional public sentiment which appears to favor the discrimination against some of our neighbors, co-workers, teachers, soldiers and friends.

Here's what I see in the arguments for gay marriage - It's all about me and it doesn't affect me.

Yet, if someone says It's all about me and it does affect me, you say they have no argument.

Hold on a second. Where did I make a case that it's all about me? Please point me to the post I made where I make any such claim. It isn't about me and I have never claimed anything to the contrary. It is about the rights of a minority that is currently being discriminated against. I am not part of that minority so it really isn't about me. Since it isn't about me, it doesn't affect me.

Now that I've clarified and explained how this isn't about me and that it hence doesn't affect me, I'd like to hear why and how exactly it is about you and why and how it would affect you.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I'd like to know what all these gay marriage lovers would think if their spouse left them for a gay marriage and dragged their kids into it. Their tune would change, and fast!

[Susita 175]

Because it tries to change my societie's definition of marriage from that between a man and a woman to a meaningless nothing.

I don't care what society thinks about my marriage to my husband. It will always be meaningful.

The guys down the road from me who live together already anyway would be able to get married. Nothing in their life would change other than the fact that legally, they would have rights that they already should be entitled to IMO. What they do or don't do doesn't affect me in the least.

[Danno 1,228]

I disagree. I know some children in school with my boys are removed during activities or lessons that conflict with their religious beliefs. The teachers are quite accommodating with it as well.

However, it is up to the parent to be involved and aware of what is going on in their child's classroom, and to interact with the teacher. I don't think there's any type of 'indoctrination' going on. There are also a lot of private schools which cater to specific religious beliefs that is another option.

It clearly is indoctrination and why should I have to "be on my toes" to pull my kids out of a class... why not just leave this social engineering for parents to do?

Let me know if you are uncertain about how the indoctrination goes, I can show you.

[Susita 175]

I'd like to know what all these gay marriage lovers would think if their spouse left them for a gay marriage and dragged their kids into it. Their tune would change, and fast!

this DOES happen, and it's going to continue happening with or without marriage rights. Srsly.

It clearly is indoctrination and why should I have to "be on my toes" to pull my kids out of a class... why not just leave this social engineering for parents to do?

Let me know if you are uncertain about how the indoctrination goes, I can show you.

I don't need to be skooled thank you very much.

Every parent should be 'on their toes' as far as what is going on in their children's school. It's called parental involvement. If enough parents are involved and are against a certain activity, the school won't do it... period.

However what IS sad is that so many parents complain about this stuff yet are too busy with their own agenda to have any idea what is going on with their kids in school until it's too late.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Here's what I see in the arguments for gay marriage - It's all about me and it doesn't affect me.

Yet, if someone says It's all about me and it does affect me, you say they have no argument.

Hold on a second. Where did I make a case that it's all about me? Please point me to the post I made where I make any such claim. It isn't about me and I have never claimed anything to the contrary. It is about the rights of a minority that is currently being discriminated against. I am not part of that minority so it really isn't about me. Since it isn't about me, it doesn't affect me.

Now that I've clarified and explained how this isn't about me and that it hence doesn't affect me, I'd like to hear why and how exactly it is about you and why and how it would affect you.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=3760707

Your argument is that gay marriage doesn't affect your marriage. You just said again in the above post.

Is that an argument as to why others should accept it? If so, that doesn't work for me.

[Danno 1,228]

I don't care what society thinks about my marriage to my husband. It will always be meaningful.

The guys down the road from me who live together already anyway would be able to get married. Nothing in their life would change other than the fact that legally, they would have rights that they already should be entitled to IMO. What they do or don't do doesn't affect me in the least.

So you are also for repealing other marriage laws which don't effect you like...

Oh I don-know,

Multiple partners?

Brother -sister unions, brother-brother unions?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When you speak of stable gay life you must have Rosie in mind?

After her and her girl-toy grafted all those children into their circus like family,,, and filmed the show to "teach america about Gay families".... the called it quits for greener pastures.

Who is Ted Olson that we should care what he thinks?

You know, you'd do well trying to stay on topic every now and then. Ted Olson was the 42nd US Solicitor General serving from 2001-2004 under George W Bush. Olson is a very skilled lawyer who argued a number of cases before the Supreme Court and successfully represented W in Bush vs. Gore in 2000.

Edited March 3, 2010 by Mr. Big Dog

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Just because gays are a minority is not a reason to give them the "right" to marry. If being a minority gives you rights, then I'm being discriminated against because I don't have enough made up rights to satisfy me.

You know, you'd do well trying to stay on topic every now and then. Ted Olson was the 42nd US Solicitor General serving from 2001-2004 under George W Bush. Olson is a very skilled lawyer who argued a number of cases before the Supreme Court and successfully represented W in Bush vs. Gore in 2000.

He's a skilled lawyer when you agree with him . . .

[Danno 1,228]

this DOES happen, and it's going to continue happening with or without marriage rights. Srsly.

I don't need to be skooled thank you very much.

Every parent should be 'on their toes' as far as what is going on in their children's school. It's called parental involvement. If enough parents are involved and are against a certain activity, the school won't do it... period.

However what IS sad is that so many parents complain about this stuff yet are too busy with their own agenda to have any idea what is going on with their kids in school until it's too late.

Seems odd my parents never had to be concerned with such things back n the day especially in grade school.

I think you and I have a fundamental difference on the role of public school.

I think public institutions should AVOID areas of conflict... not pay one side to come advocate for there views.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Have a good evening, ya'll. I'm gonna go play Sims 3 for a while. Later.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

How is this ridiculous when we live as a collective group in a society and not as individuals? Or, have you forgotten that and only think that there is YOU and no WE?

Error Try again.

The "WE" sometimes goes against the other "WE" as in this case.

The whole point of our constitution and our form of government is so the majority doesn't overtake the minority. We seem to have gotten passed though though through sheer ignorance and understanding.

The anti-gay marriage crowd is pushing their agenda through religion mostly, which in turn is actually unconstitutional.

You can argue 'morals' all you want day and night, but there's NO REASON AT ALL that you can give that TWO CONSENTING ADULTS enter into an agreement with one another to have their relationship as a contract between themselves and that if they want ANY person of their choosing by their bedside to help make decisions for them OR if they want that person to be their one choice as a love in their life, then the government should not tell them NO.

Government IS the problem here and the fact that it recognizes marriage to begin with.

You cannot treat one group of people differently than the next. It's unconstitutional and goes against everything this country was founded upon.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Here's what I see in the arguments for gay marriage - It's all about me and it doesn't affect me.

Yet, if someone says It's all about me and it does affect me, you say they have no argument.

Hold on a second. Where did I make a case that it's all about me? Please point me to the post I made where I make any such claim. It isn't about me and I have never claimed anything to the contrary. It is about the rights of a minority that is currently being discriminated against. I am not part of that minority so it really isn't about me. Since it isn't about me, it doesn't affect me.

Now that I've clarified and explained how this isn't about me and that it hence doesn't affect me, I'd like to hear why and how exactly it is about you and why and how it would affect you.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=3760707

Your argument is that gay marriage doesn't affect your marriage. You just said again in the above post.

Right. It isn't about me and hence, it doesn't affect me. You claimed earlier that I said - and I quote - "It's all about me and it doesn't affect me.". I challenged you to point out when and where I said that it is about me. It isn't and I never claimed anything to the contrary. On the other hand, I never disputed that I believe that same sex marriage doesn't affect me.

So, I challenge you again to point me to the post where I claimed that this is about me.

And I still await to hear how exactly same sex marriage affects you.

Edited March 3, 2010 by Mr. Big Dog

[Susita 175]

So you are also for repealing other marriage laws which don't effect you like...

Oh I don-know,

Multiple partners?

Brother -sister unions, brother-brother unions?

I would never partake in or teach my family that it is acceptable to do any of those things.

However, again, that's talking about beliefs. If there are people in this country who feel they should be able to live the lifestyle that they choose, they should fight for it like gays are fighting for gay marriage. Period.