Major Blow to Homophobes: SCOTUS Refuses to Block Gay Marriage in DC

[Dan J 277]

societies around the world are crumbling.....and I cant see making gay union the same as marriage making it any better....I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

Your argument is just your perspective. Older generations often see the culture of the younger generations as declining, not because its actually a problem, but because the culture young people adapt is often much different from their parents.

If your acceptable music is church hymns, than rock music is terrible. Its been around for 50 years, has that destroyed society, depends who you ask. And the same even a generation forward, if you grew up on the Beatles and the Who, popular music today is probably just as discomforting.

There is one thing that is constant in society and culture, and its change. Your generation made culture of its own, just like your kids (if you have any) will do the same.

[Allamericankiwi 14]

I dont mind change if its for the better. Ive been around for a while. The fact is the social change over my lifetime so far has been for the worse. Ask any older person, they will probably say the same. Its not just a perception based on the environment i was raised in. Its actual in my experience

[Wyld Blu 35]

I dont mind change if its for the better. Ive been around for a while. The fact is the social change over my lifetime so far has been for the worse. Ask any older person, they will probably say the same. Its not just a perception based on the environment i was raised in. Its actual in my experience

I have no idea how old you are...however, the Civil Rights Movement for blacks was not so long ago. That was a HUGE, GIGANTIC social change. Are you saying that was for the worse too? I am sad that your perception seems to be that things should never change, or perhaps that all change is bad.

-Blu-

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

societies around the world are crumbling....

Which ones, specifically? Give me just a couple examples.

[Peikko 1,575]

I dont mind change if its for the better. Ive been around for a while. The fact is the social change over my lifetime so far has been for the worse. Ask any older person, they will probably say the same. Its not just a perception based on the environment i was raised in. Its actual in my experience

Personal opinions have very little value in terms of social change. My mother, bless her, is in her 80's and she is quite definitely of the opinion that society today is much, much better than it was during the 30's, 40's and 50's but so what? Read a few social history books, there have been some huge social changes, most of them positive that have taken place in the Western world over the last 100 years. Not everything about society is measured in terms of sexual preference. Far from it, most social justice relates to access to a fair wage for a fair days work, access to health care at an affordable price, the ability to vote, the ability to access education, access to technological developments that have enabled everyone in society to enjoy the fruits of their labours, even the freedom to not be involved in warfare. There have been some remarkable social improvements during this time period. I doubt many people would swap the here and now, for the way back when, not unless one was wearing some heavily tinted rose coloured spectacles.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

So, we should disallow divorce and non-procreative marriages, then? Is that what would fix the ills? Or do we have to somehow also include the persecution of bastards seeing that they're tearing apart the social fabric of our society?

Edited March 4, 2010 by Mr. Big Dog

[Sofiyya 1,687]

societies around the world are crumbling.....and I cant see making gay union the same as marriage making it any better....I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

These folks don't believe in society or family as the foundation of society. They only believe that gay marriage won't affect them and that's all they really care about. They can't even explain why they want it so much except that it won't affect them and they're so sure it won't affect anyone else. Nothing said makes them think beyond that much coz they just don't care.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Sofiyya

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

These folks don't believe in society or family as the foundation of society. They only believe that gay marriage won't affect them and that's all they really care about. They can't even explain why they want it so much except that it won't affect them and they're so sure it won't affect anyone else. Nothing said makes them think beyond that much coz they just don't care.

That might very well be the biggest jump to conclusions I've ever read on this site. Even you admit, the only real difference between now and the legalization of same sex marriage is the piece of paper.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Sousuke

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I dont mind change if its for the better. Ive been around for a while. The fact is the social change over my lifetime so far has been for the worse. Ask any older person, they will probably say the same. Its not just a perception based on the environment i was raised in. Its actual in my experience

I agree. We have the advantage of a long term perspective and a less cavalier attitude toward change on a whim. Most of these folks probably don't have school age children, because, if you do and you have any brains, they make you rethink your values more seriously than before. They make you realize you have an investment in the future and something to protect.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

That might very well be the biggest jump to conclusions I've ever read on this site. Even you admit, the only real difference between now and the legalization of same sex marriage is the piece of paper.

I never said that, but I don't have to have said them for them to become my thoughts here.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Sofiyya

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You say lots of incoorect things. You don't need to be married to have these benefits. The same thing can be achieved thru civil unions. Gays aren't straights. They don't need to treated like straights to make their unions legal.

You may have been talking about benefits here, but the conclusion is the same.

Edited March 4, 2010 by Sousuke

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I have no idea how old you are...however, the Civil Rights Movement for blacks was not so long ago. That was a HUGE, GIGANTIC social change. Are you saying that was for the worse too? I am sad that your perception seems to be that things should never change, or perhaps that all change is bad.

-Blu-

how much do you really know about the effects of the Civil Rights movement? Little first hand, I'll bet; just what you've been taught and much of that has been idealized.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

how much do you really know about the effects of the Civil Rights movement? Little first hand, I'll bet; just what you've been taught and much of that has been idealized.

Ah then enlighten us. You deflect what you cannot defend.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

They can't even explain why they want it so much except that it won't affect them and they're so sure it won't affect anyone else. Nothing said makes them think beyond that much coz they just don't care.

Your reading comprehension is a matter that should raise serious concern with you. The issue has been explained ad nauseum and you still haven't even grasped it. Try again to read through the thread and read slowly, maybe you'll actually pick it up on second try.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Your reading comprehension is a matter that should raise serious concern with you. The issue has been explained ad nauseum and you still haven't even grasped it. Try again to read through the thread and read slowly, maybe you'll actually pick it up on second try.

This Sofiyya teaches at a University?

Edited March 4, 2010 by Sousuke