Major Blow to Homophobes: SCOTUS Refuses to Block Gay Marriage in DC

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You'd know since you authored most of them.

our resident leftists, the big ASSumpters lol

[mawilson 2,133]

rights must be weighed aginst the public good in general.

Must they? What does your right to bear arms do for the public good?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Society will decline unless traditional values are reinforced?

That is entirely baseless and substanceless, as arguments go.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why is this discussion always framed by how it directly affects the individuals discussing it? Is all that matters to you is how it affects you or not?

Yes. "Society" does not exist apart from the individuals of which it is composed. A society

(or an institution) is merely a group of individuals. If a particular policy doesn't harm any

single individual, it can't be harmful to society as a whole.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Yes. "Society" does not exist apart from the individuals of which it is composed. A society

(or an institution) is merely a group of individuals. If a particular policy doesn't harm any

single individual, it can't be harmful to society as a whole.

Funny thing is, I have yet to see how it has an effect on society other then the very strange argument that religious discrimination will occur.

Edited March 3, 2010 by Sousuke

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's utterly fascinating how the basic argument is "I don't care as long as it doesn't affect me"...

Actually, the only instances that I have ever seen that point raised is in direct response to the ridiculous argument that discontinuing the state sanctioned discrimination against homosexuals in regards to their right to enter into civil marriage is somehow affecting the institution of civil marriage. As a beneficiary of this institution, I fail to see how that could possibly be the case. If the opposing argument has merit and seeing that I am a current beneficiary of the institution of civil marriage, it would follow that legalization of homosexual marriage would affect me. I would like to know just how that would possibly be the case.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

our resident leftists, the big ASSumpters lol

Out of juice? Personal attack mode? You never disappoint. Ever.

[Wyld Blu 35]

The mere fact that most of us posting on this thread have repeatedly requested details or some clues as to HOW specifically this would affect society in a negative way, and in fact I have asked MANY times for a specific LIST of this, and the requests are ignored, speaks volumns. You cannot list any of your specific reasons WHY and HOW this would be detrimental to society because you have no valid reasons. You keep reputing things we say with NO data, no specific claims or knowledge of what you say. Again, and perhaps to motivate you away from the diatribe you keep repeating...CAN YOU PLEASE LIST HOW AND WHY CALLING A UNION BETWEEN TWO SAME SEX COUPLES WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON SOCIETY AT LARGE?

-Blu-

[Allamericankiwi 14]

I dont know what effect it would have on society. So lets give it a try. Lets make gay marriage the same as hetero marriage. gay couples can adopt as many children as they like. Gay sexuality can be taught at school on an equal time basis with hetero. Lets promote gay marriage and gay sexuality as a normal, valid, healthy expression of a union equal in all respects to hetero marriage. Then in 50 years time if we see it has had a negative effect in society, lets just wind back the clock....... At the same time lets open the US borders to anyone and everyone and see how that works too shall we.

[Wyld Blu 35]

I dont know what effect it would have on society. So lets give it a try. Lets make gay marriage the same as hetero marriage. gay couples can adopt as many children as they like. Gay sexuality can be taught at school on an equal time basis with hetero. Lets promote gay marriage and gay sexuality as a normal, valid, healthy expression of a union equal in all respects to hetero marriage. Then in 50 years time if we see it has had a negative effect in society, lets just wind back the clock....... At the same time lets open the US borders to anyone and everyone and see how that works too shall we.

You don't have to wind the clock forward 50 yrs to see what happens. You only have to open your eyes to societies around the world that already allow it and see they haven't crumbled to the ground in heaps of immorality and decay.

-Blu-

[Dan J 277]

I dont know what effect it would have on society. So lets give it a try. Lets make gay marriage the same as hetero marriage. gay couples can adopt as many children as they like. Gay sexuality can be taught at school on an equal time basis with hetero. Lets promote gay marriage and gay sexuality as a normal, valid, healthy expression of a union equal in all respects to hetero marriage. Then in 50 years time if we see it has had a negative effect in society, lets just wind back the clock....... At the same time lets open the US borders to anyone and everyone and see how that works too shall we.

Pretty much the same arguments used against gay marriage were used against ending segregation and giving equal rights to blacks during the civil rights era. We are now 40 years past that, has society collapsed yet? Not at all.

There are some on the fringes of society that have problems with it. But for the most part, people have adjusted.

You don't have to wind the clock forward 50 yrs to see what happens. You only have to open your eyes to societies around the world that already allow it and see they haven't crumbled to the ground in heaps of immorality and decay.

-Blu-

Equality is immoral and a sign of decay. Get it right

[Allamericankiwi 14]

societies around the world are crumbling.....and I cant see making gay union the same as marriage making it any better....I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

[Peikko 1,575]

I dont know what effect it would have on society. So lets give it a try. Lets make gay marriage the same as hetero marriage. gay couples can adopt as many children as they like. Gay sexuality can be taught at school on an equal time basis with hetero. Lets promote gay marriage and gay sexuality as a normal, valid, healthy expression of a union equal in all respects to hetero marriage. Then in 50 years time if we see it has had a negative effect in society, lets just wind back the clock....... At the same time lets open the US borders to anyone and everyone and see how that works too shall we.

You seem to be gettng hysterical. Why do you assume that anyone that supports the notion of gay marriage, also supports any and all your pet peeves? That does not make any sense.

Why do you also assume that allowing gay marriage somehow tips the balance of society from reletive social stability into anarchy? There is no evidence that that would be the result, it does not make any sense that that would be the result.

There is no evidence that there is anything to worry from acknowledging that gay couples are perfectly capable of sustaining long term, monogomous, loving reletionships. They already do this, they simply want to be able lay claim to the legal benefits, as well as the responsibilities that other married couples enjoy. Why would you wish the anquish of, for example, denying a couple the right to make end of life decisions for their partner if they have been living for perhaps years in a stable, loving and monogomous relationship, just like any legally married couple? Currently, they can be precluded from the decision making process if members of the family are unaware of, or refuse to accept that the partner has a legitimate claim, a claim that any other married couple has as of right by virtue of being married. That seems to mr to be remarkably unethical, particularly as your denial of such rights is based on histeria, not a substantive argument as to how homosexual marriage brings with it social degradation and chaos.

[Wyld Blu 35]

societies around the world are crumbling.....and I cant see making gay union the same as marriage making it any better....I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

If allowing two consenting adults of the same sex, the same rights and benefits as other two consulting adults of the opposite sex has a detrimental affect on the "family unit of mum dad and the kids..." that doesn't say much for the strength of that family unit, does it? By the way, there are many forms of a family unit. A gay couple with children (SHOCKING, ISN'T IT???) and perhaps a family pet, is as much a family unit as if the couple were straight.

-Blu-

[Peikko 1,575]

societies around the world are crumbling.....and I cant see making gay union the same as marriage making it any better....I do see it as having a weakening effect on the family unit of mum dad and the kids....just as the divorce pandemic has done.

No they are not.