Florida Girl, 11, and Boyfriend, 15, Set Mom on Fire, Cops Say

[Wyld Blu 35]

I'm smart enough to not reproduce.

Back when I was growing up there was a lot less severe mental illness because kids were more scared of an @$$ whoopin and weren't permitted to allow their mental illnesses to just attack. Whenever they felt a strong case of mental illness coming on, they suppressed it with a stronger image of mama chasing them with that kitchen spoon.

Your second comment confirms your first comment.

-Blu-(just sayin')

[Peikko 1,575]

@ slim.

[slim 1,533]

Apparently you guys like the direction our society's going in. Can you not attribute that to the advancements made in "time out" type parenting?

[Peikko 1,575]

Apparently you guys like the direction our society's going in. Can you not attribute that to the advancements made in "time out" type parenting?

No. If society is 'degenerating' (which by the way is the battle cry of EVERY generation) it is certainly more complex than because parenting has changed. If you were a parent or a teacher you would have direct input into how a child develops and why simply beating a child does not create a responsible citizen.

[slim 1,533]

simply beating a child does not create a responsible citizen.

Nope, but it sure helps!

Of course I'm not advocating simple beatings "just because." I'm advocating corporal punishment over this new-fangled "we allow them to express themselves" BS that a lot of parents (who end up having kids with an alphabet of problems) are trying now.

[Peikko 1,575]

Nope, but it sure helps!

Of course I'm not advocating simple beatings "just because." I'm advocating corporal punishment over this new-fangled "we allow them to express themselves" BS that a lot of parents (who end up having kids with an alphabet of problems) are trying now.

No, it doesn't help. I am not sure what you are talking about with 'allowing them to express themselves' as a form of discipline. There are plenty of discipline measures that work extremely successfully that do not use any form of physical violence.

[Jenn! 918]

Do you think today's truly troubled youths are the way they are because they were not beaten *enough*? Too many time outs? Really?

[Peikko 1,575]

He's not alone. Apparently we only have to re-introduce corporal punishment across the board and all societal problems will be solved, just like that.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Jennifer! Cleo! You are bad girls. Time out! now.

[slim 1,533]

He's not alone. Apparently we only have to re-introduce corporal punishment across the board and all societal problems will be solved, just like that.

And lets not forget to include the adults as well. If you mess up, you get punished. Period.

[Peikko 1,575]

And lets not forget to include the adults as well. If you mess up, you get punished. Period.

I wasn't forgetting that you think that would solve crime as well.

[alienlovechild 75]

That's the problem you actually believe that's true when the reality is, you don't have any statistical analysis to back up your claim, it's just something you 'feel' must be true so lo and behold, it is true.

Here are the some facts for you in pdf. I hoping in vain you'd come up with your own sources but didn't have enough time for Hell to freeze over.

http://www.clasp.org/admin/site/publicatio.../files/0086.pdf

If you use the divorce research findings the results are largely negative. In any case, if single parent households proved to be the superior model, marriages should be strongly discouraged. No one is advocating keeping families together in very high conflict homes but most divorces don't fit that mold either. Talking about average situations not the more extreme examples.

Divorce Myth 3: Divorce may cause problems for many of the children who are affected by it, but by and large these problems are not long lasting and the children recover relatively quickly.

Fact: Divorce increases the risk of interpersonal problems in children. There is evidence, both from small qualitative studies and from large-scale, long-term empirical studies, that many of these problems are long lasting. In fact, they may even become worse in adulthood.

Divorce Myth 5: Following divorce, the woman's standard of living plummets by 73 percent while that of the man's improves by 42 percent.

Fact: This dramatic inequity, one of the most widely publicized statistics from the social sciences, was later found to be based on a faulty calculation. A reanalysis of the data determined that the woman's loss was 27 percent while the man's gain was 10 percent. Irrespective of the magnitude of the differences, the gender gap is real and seems not to have narrowed much in recent decades.

Divorce Myth 6: When parents don't get along, children are better off if their parents divorce than if they stay together.

Fact: A recent large-scale, long-term study suggests otherwise. While it found that parents' marital unhappiness and discord have a broad negative impact on virtually every dimension of their children's well-being, so does the fact of going through a divorce. In examining the negative impacts on children more closely, the study discovered that it was only the children in very high-conflict homes who benefited from the conflict removal that divorce may bring. In lower-conflict marriages that end in divorce — and the study found that perhaps as many as two thirds of the divorces were of this type — the situation of the children was made much worse following a divorce. Based on the findings of this study, therefore, except in the minority of high-conflict marriages it is better for the children if their parents stay together and work out their problems than if they divorce.

Divorce Myth 7: Because they are more cautious in entering marital relationships and also have a strong determination to avoid the possibility of divorce, children who grow up in a home broken by divorce tend to have as much success in their own marriages as those from intact homes.

Fact: Marriages of the children of divorce actually have a much higher rate of divorce than the marriages of children from intact families. A major reason for this, according to a recent study, is that children learn about marital commitment or permanence by observing their parents. In the children of divorce, the sense of commitment to a lifelong marriage has been undermined.

Divorce Myth 8: Following divorce, the children involved are better off in stepfamilies than in single-parent families.

Fact: The evidence suggests that stepfamilies are no improvement over single-parent families, even though typically income levels are higher and there is a father figure in the home. Stepfamilies tend to have their own set of problems, including interpersonal conflicts with new parent figures and a very high risk of family breakup.

http://health.discovery.com/centers/lovere...es/divorce.html

[slim 1,533]

And the above study isn't even including the "are you my daddy?" kids.

Society's problems may not be fixed by people doing the right things... but it would sure help.

[Wyld Blu 35]

And the above study isn't even including the "are you my daddy?" kids.

Society's problems may not be fixed by people doing the right things... but it would sure help.

It has always been interesting to me that people who have no children, or no intention of ever having them, know exactly how they should be raised. There is no manual for raising children and every child and parenting style is different. I personally do not believe beating anyone, child OR adult, is fruitful in teaching conflict resolution. In my own opinion, and through personal experience, it only tends to harbor a deep resentment towards the person inflicting the beating. If you are suggesting you children should behave out of fear, that is a sad statement of how you would raise another human. I have raised my kids to be respectful, productive adults. They did not grow up this way out of fear of the people who should love and protect them the most, their parents.

And an interesting side note...while I was married to their father for their entire childhood, and only divorced when they became adults, I basically raised them alone. My ex husband worked, stayed in his shop on the property or went to bed. He was as uninvolved with the family as any one person could be, while living in the same house. They weren't beaten, abused or made to fear us to "make" them behave.

-Blu-

[Peikko 1,575]

And the above study isn't even including the "are you my daddy?" kids.

Society's problems may not be fixed by people doing the right things... but it would sure help.

Doing the right things, well sure but what are the right things? Beating kids? Flogging adults? Tried and tested methods both and yet?

Teaching children to understand what behaviours are unacceptable and why they are unacceptable will prevent them from doing them. Discipline is important but discipline is not beating the ####### out of them.