Can someone explain this bible verse to me?

[Peikko 1,575]

The existence of god would be offensive to the laws of nature, ergo, it does not exist.

[웃 910]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred.

...god is not in control of the earth. he has given control of the earth to satan, who is the "prince of the powers of the air". this happened right after that apple thing. (eph 2:2)

the bible is a spiritual book, concerning the spiritual contest between holiness and unholiness. this spiritual contest occurs within the environment of a physical world. in the time before the earth god created the angels to serve him. the brightest and most beautiful angel was lucifer. lucifer plotted with other angels to overthrow god, and lost in his attempt. for this rebellion he was cast from the heavens down upon the earth, where god had created man to commune with him.

lucifer tempted eve in the garden (god knew this was happening) and since then she has travailed in giving birth (created more children). the children of men were created in the form of a playing field in a second contest between holiness and unholiness. men have choice. angles have not had choice since the heavenly rebellion. thus, the result of the choice of some men to be holy, when faced with travail and temptation (job, christ), is evidence of the innate value of holiness. we are on this earth only to play this game out.

If that doesn't sound like the biggest fairytale bedtime story I have heard in my life then I don't know what does!!

Do you actual believe what you just wrote?

What makes more sense logically speaking: God doesn't exist or what Shooter wrote above which is:

God (whoever God is) lived in a community of perfection called heaven where He had a collection of angels that he created. The most beautiful angel of all was nicknamed Lucifer the Devil, AKA "Prince of the Powers of the Air". Lucifer the Devil plotted with his fellow angels and angelettes to overthrew God (who if was real was obviously trillions of times more superior than the angels He created so they would never attempt such a thing). So God foiled the plot Mr. Prince of the Powers of the Air was planning and threw the most beautiful angel of all (Devil) out of Heaven. He created a place to put him in charge of called Hell which is basically a dark place that is always on fire. This was all before "the apple thing" which was where He created the earth (in seven or so days). Not sure how the person who wrote the first part of the bible knew how many days it took and I also didn't realize Heaven time was the same as earth time.. Anyways, God created Adam and Eve (were they born adults? He couldn't have created two babies to survive on their own without parental guidance). He put them on a tiny garden that was relatively beautiful. But the earth was so large and He told Adam and Eve to not leave the small garden. He pointed to a tree and said don't eat apples from this tree. Eve went to the tree and a talking snake convinced her to take a bite out of an apple (this talking snake was actually the most beautiful angel known as Lucifer the Devil, AKA Mr. Prince of the Powers of the Air). This was SOOOOO disobedient of her. How could she!!! So God was so offended (like oh my gah, how could she?) that He kicked her and Adam out of the garden to explore the rest of the world (did He put up an invisible fence? How come they couldn't re-enter?). So while on punishment they had great sex and Adam impregnated Eve and she gave birth to a boy they called Cain. Then more hot sex and later they had another boy named Abel. Lo and behold the very first 2 children born on earth end up killing each other!!! Wow!

Then a ton of people get born and build a bunch of cities and the earth becomes a very violent place. So what does God do? Well here, read Chapter 6, verses 5-22:

5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart.

7 And the LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence.

12 And God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.

13 Then God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.

14 "Make for yourself an ark of gopher wood; you shall make the ark with rooms, and shall cover it inside and out with pitch.

15 "And this is how you shall make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its breadth fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits.

16 "You shall make a window for the ark, and finish it to a cubit from the top; and set the door of the ark in the side of it; you shall make it with lower, second, and third decks.

17 "And behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.

18 "But I will establish My covenant with you; and you shall enter the ark-- you and your sons and your wife, and your sons' wives with you.

19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.

20 "Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind shall come to you to keep them alive.

21 "And as for you, take for yourself some of all food which is edible, and gather it to yourself; and it shall be for food for you and for them."

22 Thus Noah did; according to all that God had commanded him, so he did.

So basically God regrets creating man and decides He is going to kill them all off (awww, how sweet!). So He favors Noah and now we have a young man (excuse me, Chapter 5, verse 32 states that Noah is 500 years old: "And Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth."). So we have a 500 year old man who must have been very good with his hands. He built a big ship single-handedly with 3 decks. Then He said what the heck, I've already came this far, why not collect 1 male and 1 female of "every living thing of all flesh....of every creeping thing of the ground". Did he do the Ace Ventura animal call to make it a little easier on the back? That's a lot of insects and animals for a 500 year old man to haul onto a boat. Okay, I'll just stop there.

Makes a great bedtime story...

Edited November 3, 2009 by Confucian

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Man did write the bible. The q'uron too. However, Buddha wrote his own books.

[justashooter 430]

the bible is a spiritual book, concerning the spiritual contest between holiness and unholiness.

If that doesn't sound like the biggest fairytale bedtime story I have heard in my life then I don't know what does!!

Do you actual believe what you just wrote?

personally, i believe that religion is a tool which people who cannot control their own lives can use to give themselves behavioural limits. governments who cannot control their people can also use it for group behavioural control. this has been the pattern throughout world history. it has worked relatively well, excepting abberations like the spanish inquisition and wahibist islam.

look at china, for instance. religion there began with animism, which worked for people who struggled with the earth and the weather, the creatures, and the plants thereof. when they gained control over the earth (organised agriculture) they needed something beyond their control to be afraid of, so they developed astrology. once they understood that stars were just mechanical things subject to the laws of physics they needed somethinng else.

the educated men developed taoism (individual responsibility), but that required education and acheivement to be effective, so confucianism was substituted (a system of rules with punishments). buddhism left the punishment to gods, who could see more than the emperor and his minions. taoists felt left out, so they developed gods, too. this worked pretty well with everybody except the bold (tian gao, huang di yuan - heaven is high, and the emperor is far away). buddhism worked until mao found it in opposition to his megalomania (hitler east), so he went back to a totalitarian form of confucianism, but under a different name (communism). today, as it has always been in china, communism is a facade and it's back to tian gao huang di yuan.

so we see that religion is a substitute for self actualisation. i already have enough of that, so i don't need religion. i do, however, view writings like the bible as a source of cultural wisdom, and understand that the subconcious psyche operates like a "spirit", which must be holy in order for a person to function to the level of their potential. of course, abberants are an exception to that rule. they function just fine with no rules at all, except "me first".

[NickD 203]

What's really ironic in my case, found a woman that shares my religious views, both at one time, Roman Catholics. We both find plenty of holes in most religions, but still from time to time give a church a chance and attend. And leave with our heads spinning, she is also pressured by her co-workers to attend this or that church. We have some rather impressive new churches in town, more like community social organizations with the first requirement for us to give 10% of our gross income to join before taxes. Not much left after taxes that deals with a huge number of social programs the Israelites didn't have to deal with. For them, it was just 10% for both religion and state. Would be nice just to have 10% today, but they don't look at it that way.

Then it's God this and God that causing me to ask, do you have a special connection with God you are not sharing? Just told, it is written in the bible and this is the Word of God. Must be a very poetic God that is not every well organized, making laws based on the scientific knowledge at the time, that for all practical purposes was nil.

But we both agree in some kind of a Creator and do pray together, we felt our prayers were answered in that with extreme complications in getting together, it all worked out. And perhaps even a small miracle in the way we met. She does encounter a lot of babies born from parents with genetic problems passed unto their baby. And yes, they do die, but we don't know if God is doing this, or it's just nature, seems like it could have been prevented if they looked at their family medical history. Sure had to do that when I was breeding German Shepard dogs, not easy to put a pup down when born with an incurable cancer.

Only thing I can say for sure when it comes to religion, I just don't know and really haven't met anyone so far that really seems to know. But still wonder about life after death and try to be a good little boy, just in case.

[Peikko 1,575]

One should be 'good' not because of what punishments may (or likely not) be meted out by some 'god' after death, but because one understands the responsibilities and consequences of all one's actions.

[Heracles 417]

I think where a lot of people get confused is with the unknown or better yet with the notion of evolution. People assume that since the bible, for example, does not discuss it, they must be mutually isolated from one another. Personally, I don't think so. If you realistically stop and think of the intelligence of God as we call him, though he's not a human, it's not that had to assume that God would be infinitely intelligent. As such, could have easily have concocted evolution. Yet, God was the missing link. A superior being explains the perfection of the world.

If God is so superior, how come he was pooped after 6 days and had to rest?

That is metaphorically speaking. Not for a second do I think the world was created in seven days. However, for the last 6,000 years, the explanation served its purpose.

[Heracles 417]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred. Would anyone re-elect Him (this is so cool to talk about Him like He is a Pres., lol) knowing of all the World Wars, Civil Wars, number of rapes, number of starvations, even obesity, people in poverty, disease, pain, # of people without clean water, number of atrocities that have happened under His Regime? Now you may say that life, for the most part is good (yes, yours probably is and I'm content with mine) but most people don't live in America (or Western countries). "Almost half the world---over 3 billion people---live on less than $2.50 a day" <---LINK

Even things such as blindness, deafness, paralysis, retardation. If God created man why would He allow babies to be born retarded? Born with birth defects? Why would it be even possible to become paralyzed? That is absurdly sickening to me for God to have "engineered" a human being that can be born mentally (or physically) retarded.

You seem to confuse the notion of God for some kids magical story. Religion is not about witchery or magic. It's about trials and tribulations. It's about spiritual growth. it's about how we as humans treat others who are born with those disadvantages. The who premise of Christianity is that God allowed his own son to suffer. Yet you expect him to wave some wand that makes things better. The wars, famine, starvation, rapes etc you describe above are man made. Much in the same way half the Us is now one big azz poverty stricken ghetto, these are man made. You guys allowed the country to end up like that yet are expecting God to wave a magic want and fix your dirty work. Doesn't work that way.

[NickD 203]

One should be 'good' not because of what punishments may (or likely not) be meted out by some 'god' after death, but because one understands the responsibilities and consequences of all one's actions.

If one was to break the forth commandment, would be grounded for a year, death sentence for the fifth, divorce court for the sixth, jail for the seventh and eight, no problems for me with my neighbors goods nor wife, mostly junk and she's fat, but really no penalty for those desires. With our separation from religion and state, one could have a blast breaking the first three, but at one time, could be burned to the stake for breaking those.

An Islam woman certainly doesn't want to fool with the sixth, can get stoned that way, and not with a bottle of booze.

[웃 910]

It would be another 1 proof if anyone could answer the question why so many God-awful (pun intended) things occur day to day under His watch? He is the President of the world and under His Administration sooooooo many horrific things have occurred. Would anyone re-elect Him (this is so cool to talk about Him like He is a Pres., lol) knowing of all the World Wars, Civil Wars, number of rapes, number of starvations, even obesity, people in poverty, disease, pain, # of people without clean water, number of atrocities that have happened under His Regime? Now you may say that life, for the most part is good (yes, yours probably is and I'm content with mine) but most people don't live in America (or Western countries). "Almost half the world---over 3 billion people---live on less than $2.50 a day" <---LINK

Even things such as blindness, deafness, paralysis, retardation. If God created man why would He allow babies to be born retarded? Born with birth defects? Why would it be even possible to become paralyzed? That is absurdly sickening to me for God to have "engineered" a human being that can be born mentally (or physically) retarded.

You seem to confuse the notion of God for some kids magical story. Religion is not about witchery or magic. It's about trials and tribulations. It's about spiritual growth. it's about how we as humans treat others who are born with those disadvantages. The who premise of Christianity is that God allowed his own son to suffer. Yet you expect him to wave some wand that makes things better. The wars, famine, starvation, rapes etc you describe above are man made. Much in the same way half the Us is now one big azz poverty stricken ghetto, these are man made. You guys allowed the country to end up like that yet are expecting God to wave a magic want and fix your dirty work. Doesn't work that way.

Did God not have the power to create the universe. Every living thing. Every plant. Every piece of dirt. Every sub-atomic molecule on the planet? Does He not know how many hairs are on the head of each of the +6.5 billion people that are on this earth? You say yes therefore you say God is all-powerful and all-knowledgeable.

Unfortunately, this means God is also unholy and all-evil or at least pretty damn evil. It is difficult for we humans to "read" (yes only read) about some of the horrors that make the news day to day. God not only knows about each horror story in advance, he gets to sit back and watch them take place. And since He is all-powerful He can use His powers to prevent each atrocity from occurring (but doesn't).

If God was pure He would have destroyed His creation of earth the second Cain murdered Abel. Does He enjoy seeing murders take place? When He was tired of how evil the world was in Genesis chapter 5 (what was there 10,000 people back then) he decided to murder every human on earth. The exception was the people that bought tickets to board Noah's ship got to live (and Noah brought all the animals and insects with him). So God scrapped the human population and started anew. What kind of mockery is it that He gives humans another chance and doesn't destroy them a third time when they revert to their evil ways? Why was He so outraged with the way the world was in Chapter 5 of Genesis but not later in the bible? The population only grew and the violence only got worse. It doesn't make sense that God was so disgusted with earth in Chapter 5 of Genesis that He murdered everyone but Noah and his "boat-buddies" but has been tolerant of man ever since. And really was everyone but Noah and his "boat-buddies" really that terrible that they had to drown to death in a universal tsunami? I get the feeling there were innocent women, men, children, and babies in this flood. The author who wrote that non-sense must have not thought it through logically. Are you telling me that during the universal tsunami there was not one woman that was pregnant at the time that was massacred? I thought God was against abortions?

God was made up. There is no fairy tale land called heaven that you go to when you die. There is no evil place called hell that you go to when you die. There is no reincarnation coming back as a sheep when you die. When you die you die.

[scandal 951]

There is no reincarnation coming back as a sheep when you die.

:o No! No! Say it's not so!!!

[Heracles 417]

Did God not have the power to create the universe. Every living thing. Every plant. Every piece of dirt. Every sub-atomic molecule on the planet? Does He not know how many hairs are on the head of each of the +6.5 billion people that are on this earth? You say yes therefore you say God is all-powerful and all-knowledgeable.

Unfortunately, this means God is also unholy and all-evil or at least pretty damn evil. It is difficult for we humans to "read" (yes only read) about some of the horrors that make the news day to day. God not only knows about each horror story in advance, he gets to sit back and watch them take place. And since He is all-powerful He can use His powers to prevent each atrocity from occurring (but doesn't).

If God was pure He would have destroyed His creation of earth the second Cain murdered Abel. Does He enjoy seeing murders take place? When He was tired of how evil the world was in Genesis chapter 5 (what was there 10,000 people back then) he decided to murder every human on earth. The exception was the people that bought tickets to board Noah's ship got to live (and Noah brought all the animals and insects with him). So God scrapped the human population and started anew. What kind of mockery is it that He gives humans another chance and doesn't destroy them a third time when they revert to their evil ways? Why was He so outraged with the way the world was in Chapter 5 of Genesis but not later in the bible? The population only grew and the violence only got worse. It doesn't make sense that God was so disgusted with earth in Chapter 5 of Genesis that He murdered everyone but Noah and his "boat-buddies" but has been tolerant of man ever since. And really was everyone but Noah and his "boat-buddies" really that terrible that they had to drown to death in a universal tsunami? I get the feeling there were innocent women, men, children, and babies in this flood. The author who wrote that non-sense must have not thought it through logically. Are you telling me that during the universal tsunami there was not one woman that was pregnant at the time that was massacred? I thought God was against abortions?

God was made up. There is no fairy tale land called heaven that you go to when you die. There is no evil place called hell that you go to when you die. There is no reincarnation coming back as a sheep when you die. When you die you die.

Once again you are missing the point. You are also confusing the Old Testament with the New Testament. A good portion of the ####### we are suffering and experiencing today, when we are apparently supposed to be super smart and civilized, is due to our own actions or lack of. After all, there is a reason that the homicide rate in the US is much higher than that of any other industrialized nation. That cannot be blamed on God but on Americans like yourself. You talk about the mayhem that makes the news daily but its Americans like you who are sitting idly by or relying on strongly defending a set of guidelines from the 18 century (the constitution). Defending certain laws or attitudes that the rest of the industrialized world considers lunacy. Then using the mayhem of the present, to claim that this proves there is no God.

People here have psychotically pushed for the separation of church and state and where has it gotten the country? Whereas countries like Australia were the separation of church and state refers to the intended definition of not favoring one religion over another (including lack of), have moved to second place for quality of life. The government is perfectly entitled and encouraged to celebrate the beliefs of their constituents, of its people. Every year there is a beautiful 30 foot Christmas tree outside my county's office. If a local religious group wants to build a community center, the government will usually pay half the cost.

The reality is that its people like yourself who keep the country down. People who waste time attacking religion yet don't spend 2 seconds or cents actually tackling the real issues; the issues that actually impact and affect America. Where has it gotten you? Do you think people around the world are like "wow those atheist yanks are so smart". Wrong! They just laugh even more at the country.

It’s also a good time to look in a mirror. Most of my atheist friends have not donated $1 in their entire life. Yet those that are religious yet earn 1/5,000 what they do, have donated both time and money to their community and to help others in need. Actually come to think of it, all of my atheist friends are stingy self-centered bastards. People who talk a big game about being civilized and so much smarter than those religious folk, yet in reality their #1 concern is themselves; which might I add, is very similar to the behavior of an animal.

Ponder this, if a life form that was much more intelligent than us (an alien) was to visit earth and compare people that are religious to that the atheist, who do you think they would feel are more civilized? The human who does more for others, is compassionate, is caring and so on or the self centered individual who couldn't give a #### about anyone part from themselves?

PS Christians don't believe in reincarnation.

Edited November 4, 2009 by Booyah!

[Chris_Жанна 11]

No offense to anyone, I know this is a sensitive subject and all...

This was voted best answer:

And I was wondering if this is Visa Journey's John Galt?

I don't think that is the full passage. All of the Ezekiel passages usually have "And you will know I am the lord" (like in pulp fiction)

I get bored listening to music and since I live in the bible belt I turn on some good ole christian radio, the man on the radio said something to the effect that most of these passages are pretty much telling ppl that this is what god is going to do and this is how you'll know its me when I do it.

So maybe God will have someone screw like a donkey and cum like a horse in Egypt and ppl will stand around and say "Wow, thats the power of the almighty"

Honestly, I do not know. There is a lot of figurative writing in that there book.