Why Millions are Praying for the End of Times

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe, feel free to add "delusional" to the list of dishonest, horribly unfair labels stacked against your name

So i'm delusional because when I attacked the Quran, you called me racist, and prejudice.. But you don't hold the same standard to those who attack the Bible. Which proves you have a double standard. Period.

[Jenn! 918]

Isn't there a difference between attacking fundamentalism (in any religion) and attacking the religion itself? I guess not when there is no distinction between the two.

This is attacking the book of Revelation.. So, lets see the ones attacking a particular book or doctrine of Islam.

Tell you what, when there's a popular series of apocalypse novels (and associated merchandising) based on Islamic fundamentalism - then we can discuss their relative merits.

Ah so you set the rules. As usual. Whatever you say goes.

Attack novels, its mostly an attack on the book of Revelation.

Again you won't post the equivalent thread because there isn't one. Because libs have a double standard.

Isn't there a difference between attacking fundamentalism (in any religion) and attacking the religion itself? I guess not when there is no distinction between the two.

This is attacking the book of Revelation.. So, lets see the ones attacking a particular book or doctrine of Islam.

Oh yes, VJ OT is historically so pro-Islam.

And I can do a recent search of your own posts if I want to see attacks on the so-called doctrines of Islam. Are you just upset that more people don't agree with your personal POV? You seem to have this idea that the majority secretly agree with you but are afraid to voice it due to political correctness. Where do you get this idea aside from wishing it were so?

I never said I didn't attack Quran, but I was labeled as a racist and prejudice and judgemental.

You have a double standard. Its ok to attack Christianity, but its racist to question the Quran.

Your interpretation is interesting. I have no such double standard (you assume I do because you have painted me with your "liberal brush"). I have a problem with fundamentalism in any religion. You see the fundamentalist interpretation of any given religion as THE religion. Do you see why there is a disconnect yet? To you attacking the religious text IS attacking the religion, therefore your attacks on religious texts are interpreted as such. Similarly, you interpret attacks on the Bible as attacks on Christianity.

I have problems with Islam just as I do with Christianity - duh, otherwise I would probably be Muslim or Christian.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Isn't there a difference between attacking fundamentalism (in any religion) and attacking the religion itself? I guess not when there is no distinction between the two.

To a Radical Fundamentalist, their understanding of their religion is the only understanding. Many Fundamentalist Christians don't consider other 'more liberal' Christians, real Christians.

Not really. It just depends on if you believe what Christ said or not that determines whether you're a real Christian or In name only.

That goes both ways, brother. If you consider Jesus the ultimate authority on Christianity - then His words and His message should be far more important and relevant than taking a literal interpretation of the OT - which is what many Fundamentalists today do.

How do "Fundamentalists" take a literal interpretation of the OT? Can you explain?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Isn't there a difference between attacking fundamentalism (in any religion) and attacking the religion itself? I guess not when there is no distinction between the two.

This is attacking the book of Revelation.. So, lets see the ones attacking a particular book or doctrine of Islam.

Wrong. It's attacking Radical Fundamentalists who attempt to take a literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation. I always find it amusing that so many non-Catholic Christians adhere to that book without realizing that historically, it was not included in what is today's Bible until much later. But then again, most Christians haven't the foggiest idea why the Bible contains some books and others were excluded. In effect, they are embracing the authority of the Church in determining which books were truly inspired by God.

Wrong - It specifically says that John (if he wrote it) was not well or drunk when he wrote the book of revelation. Goes on and on about how it doesn't belong in the scripture. Even though many points of it are referenced in other books and corroborate it. Thessalonians, Isaiah, and even Daniel... You left that part out however. Or maybe those don't belong too?

There isn't certainty over whether John wrote it or not, but in any case, the book of Revelation is so cryptic and difficult to make sense from without thorough biblical scholarship. It's laughable to see people just interpret the symbolism in it to mean things as if it's that simple. Like the author said - Fundamental Christians have been interpreting the symbolism in the book of Revelation now for awhile - Hitler was the Anti-Christ, then Gorbachev, and now some say Obama. How many interpretations over how many centuries before you realize the absurdity of interpreting Revelations this way?

Edited October 13, 2009 by Col. 'Bat' Guano

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe, feel free to add "delusional" to the list of dishonest, horribly unfair labels stacked against your name

So i'm delusional because when I attacked the Quran, you called me racist, and prejudice.. But you don't hold the same standard to those who attack the Bible. Which proves you have a double standard. Period.

Well if you seriously think that this thread is equivalent to the other thread, then yes you are delusional.

Who is attacking the Bible? I'm not - I just commented about a series of popular books.

[Jenn! 918]

Who is attacking the Bible? I'm not - I just commented about a series of popular books.

I think he's concerned about your lack of outrage at the article's criticism of the Book of Revelations.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Who is attacking the Bible? I'm not - I just commented about a series of popular books.

I think he's concerned about your lack of outrage at the article's criticism of the Book of Revelations.

Probably because I was only interested in the bit about the books

[alienlovechild 75]

Tell you what, when there's a popular series of apocalypse novels (and associated merchandising) based on Islamic fundamentalism - then we can discuss their relative merits.

The Koran sells quite nicely and it does have its version of end times.

As usual no real comments on the article by any poster. It's pretty poorly written as it has very little on the history of millenarianism or that it belief in the end times go back far beyond 1980 in America. It's alternet so we get the usual linking of the Bible to some crimes d' jour by some nuts as proof that those Christians are gearing up for a holy civil war of some kind. Of course there's the "but most Muslims are peaceful people" that's required by law I think on articles like this but somehow Sarah Palin is the real threat.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I'd expect people who knew what they were talking about would know that its called "REVELATION" not REVELATIONS. I'm not serious on that by the way - its a joke

People who predict the identity of Antichrist are out there. Obama's just too stupid to be him. Sorry for those people.

The Bible didn't tell them to predict his identity, so I don't see how that impugnes the book of Revelation. And no you don't need to be a PHD to understand Revelation. The terminology can be researched and figured out (not all of it mind you, but a lot of it). Such as, the 4 corners, the candlestick, the beast, and the ####### who sits apon many waters, and the 4 horseman (though not necessarily their identities either - well 2 or 3) Just some examples. I really don't necessarily care whether the Catholic church considers it scripture or not. I'm not a member, but I don't have a problem with Catholics.

[alienlovechild 75]

####### who sits apon many waters

The current Secretary of State gets around a lot so don't rule her out.

People who predict the identity of Antichrist are out there. Obama's just too stupid to be him.

The Nobel Committee disagrees with you as do millions of his followers.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I really don't necessarily care whether the Catholic church considers it scripture or not. I'm not a member, but I don't have a problem with Catholics.

Joseph, before Protestantism, there was only one Christian Church - the Catholic Church. It was the early Church that compile many religious writings into what is now your Bible.

As for Christians who make prediction based on Revelations - that is what this whole thread is about. You have these authors who have sold millions of copies of their books that many Fundamental Christians take to be authoritative in understanding the End of Times.

And as for Christians and the End of Times in general - what kind of attitude is it to have, that we need not be stewards of this earth because it's all going to end real soon? Christians should (and thankfully many of them do) feel a moral responsibility of stewardship to all of God's creation.

[Kevin and 10]

####### who sits apon many waters

The current Secretary of State gets around a lot so don't rule her out.

People who predict the identity of Antichrist are out there. Obama's just too stupid to be him.

The Nobel Committee disagrees with you as do millions of his followers.

The nut jobz will point out that the Anti-Christ will bring peace in the time of conflict. They will use The President's nobel peace prize as a sign of the End Times and claim he's the anti-christ because of it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

####### who sits apon many waters

The current Secretary of State gets around a lot so don't rule her out.

Wow, someone sounds extremely bitter.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Ah, yes! Bible "scholars" misinterpreting the political commentary of the first and possibly second century A.D.

[alienlovechild 75]

####### who sits apon many waters

The current Secretary of State gets around a lot so don't rule her out.

Wow, someone sounds extremely bitter.

Another variation on your usual droll commentary. You do take off topic literally.

So the Secretary of State doesn't travel?