woman brain dead after lipo procedure

[mawilson 2,133]

I don't really understand your reply. But anyway, do you need to care whether someone prays in whatever religion they are in before doing something if the result is superb? As long as their prayer wasn't "let me do this horribly" I don't see the problem.

I want a doctor who is rational. Prayer is an irrational superstition.

I guess you are screwed since it's not easy to know what a Dr believes before you use him for services.

I can ask him (or her).

"Do you believe in God?"

And if the answer is "yes", keep looking.

[chri'stina 190]

I don't really understand your reply. But anyway, do you need to care whether someone prays in whatever religion they are in before doing something if the result is superb? As long as their prayer wasn't "let me do this horribly" I don't see the problem.

I want a doctor who is rational. Prayer is an irrational superstition.

I guess you are screwed since it's not easy to know what a Dr believes before you use him for services.

I can ask him (or her).

"Do you believe in God?"

And if the answer is "yes", keep looking.

Have you done this before? And how long did you have to keep looking for? That is pathetic.

[Kathryn41 3,207]

There is no baiting involved. I do find it interesting that people entertain such trains of thought and undertake such leaps to conclusions not based upon any evidence other than a name - such a process is totally alien to me. The warning about the religious and racial comments stands.

[mawilson 2,133]

Have you done this before? And how long did you have to keep looking for? That is pathetic.

No, what's pathetic is a belief in a mystical, magical incantation against the forces of natural law.

[chri'stina 190]

It's not really that surprising when it comes from certain members of VJ.

They play the same game from time to time with this stuff.

Have you done this before? And how long did you have to keep looking for? That is pathetic.

No, what's pathetic is a belief in a mystical, magical incantation against the forces of natural law.

mmhmmm

[Niels Bohr 72]

Wow. How can it happen in the US?

The woman's fault for getting fat in the first place. None of this could've happened if she was skinny.

Anyway, how can some Dr. do that without anyone knowing prior?

[mawilson 2,133]

There is no baiting involved. I do find it interesting that people entertain such trains of thought and undertake such leaps to conclusions not based upon any evidence other than a name - such a process is totally alien to me. The warning about the religious and racial comments stands.

"Warning" is the same as "baiting".

[Amby 490]

Foreign doctors have a reputation of not treating women very well. That's my reason for never having a foreign doctor. I can't get the original article from this Toronto newspaper because it's archived but I have copied and pasted it from another site.

When Andrea and Ginette Markowski, a same-sex couple, went doctor shopping last month, they got a rude surprise. The doctor they approached confessed she was uncomfortable with lesbians—so uncomfortable she advised them to look elsewhere.

The doctor, Kamelia Elias, who works in a Winnipeg clinic, has practised in Canada for five years. She received her medical training in Egypt, and her religion condemns homosexuality. Lesbians “get a lot of diseases and infections,” she told the local paper, incorrectly. “I said it’s better to find someone who will take this type of patient.” But the couple was furious. “She clearly was shocked by our relationship, unable to recover,” said Andrea Markowski.

Dr. Elias is just one of an increasing number of immigrant medical professionals whose beliefs and backgrounds clash with Canadian ways. Some discover that the struggle to have their credentials recognized is not the only barrier; there’s also the culture gap. The Markowskis have filed a complaint with the Manitoba Human Rights Commission, and Dr. Elias has found herself condemned by gay-rights groups across the country.

The doctor shortage means Canada is increasingly dependent on foreign physicians, who now account for 20 per cent to 25 per cent of the physician work force. So we can expect more cross-cultural conflicts such as this one, says Bill Pope, head of Manitoba’s College of Physicians and Surgeons. “Often, their basic knowledge is good, but it’s all in the way in which you operationalize it in a culture that might be quite different.”

Until recently, cultural problems among foreign doctors have been an underground issue. The subject is touchy, and officials don’t want to appear to be stereotyping ethnic groups in unflattering ways. But Health Canada and other medical groups have realized that it needs far more attention. Foreign medical professionals used to come mostly from the U.K. and South Africa; now they come from China, India, Pakistan and the Middle East, where beliefs and traditions can be radically different. Many male doctors from the Middle East have never performed a pelvic exam. Some doctors have never laid hands on a patient at all. Some insist there’s no such thing as homosexuality in their countries, and many come from cultures where it’s regarded as a grave sin.

Attitudes toward women can be a problem, too. When confronted by a woman showing signs of abuse, some male Muslim doctors are inclined to send her home, with instructions to be nicer to her husband. One pharmacist refused to dispense birth-control pills to a 16-year-old girl, insisting he contact her parents first.

Not all Western practices are necessarily superior, of course. Foreign professionals are deeply shocked—and with good reason—by the shabby way we treat the elderly.

Zubin Austin, a pharmacy professor at the University of Toronto, is helping to develop a nationwide orientation program for foreign health-care professionals. He says one challenging cultural difference is the notion that physician reigns supreme. In most cultures, the doctor’s role is to tell everyone else what to do, and his authority is unquestioned. Canada, by contrast, has embraced a “patient-centred” ethic. In other cultures, for a doctor to admit error or apologize would be unthinkable. “It’s not a behaviour that’s modelled, learned or even accepted,” says Prof. Austin.

Today, most foreign doctors go through some kind of cultural sensitivity training before they get a licence. In Ontario, they have to pass a series of demanding tests involving simulations in which patients are played by trained actors with complicated and misleading symptoms.

“You can’t abandon a patient whose values aren’t the same as yours,” doctors are repeatedly told. And when the values of doctors and their patients are so different, Canada faces yet another multicultural test.

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2009/...ign_doctors.php

[PlatyPius 5]

I've known people named Omar who were not arab or Muslim. We had a Colombian friend of the family named Omar. Hmmmmmm.

One of my good friends (and the Brewmeister at Alcatraz brewing company in Indy) is named Omar. He's 100% Panamanian.

[Kathryn41 3,207]

My family doctor in Canada was Pakistani and was one of the best doctors I have ever had. The surgeon who did my 2nd laparoscopic surgery was Indian and he was superb both during the pre-surgery consultation, the surgery and the follow up. My endocrinologist here is Indian and my family doctor is Pakistani. They are both excellent. I have never had an issue with any of my medical practitioners due to my being a woman. I think making a generalization to say that all foreign doctors have a reputation for not treating women well is just that - a generalization.

Foreign doctors have a reputation of not treating women very well. That's my reason for never having a foreign doctor. I can't get the original article from this Toronto newspaper because it's archived but I have copied and pasted it from another site.

[chri'stina 190]

My family doctor in Canada was Pakistani and was one of the best doctors I have ever had. The surgeon who did my 2nd laparoscopic surgery was Indian and he was superb both during the pre-surgery consultation, the surgery and the follow up. My endocrinologist here is Indian and my family doctor is Pakistani. They are both excellent. I have never had an issue with any of my medical practitioners due to my being a woman. I think making a generalization to say that all foreign doctors have a reputation for not treating women well is just that - a generalization.

And it's also a big load of ####### with a capital C.

[chri'stina 190]

I've known people named Omar who were not arab or Muslim. We had a Colombian friend of the family named Omar. Hmmmmmm.

One of my good friends (and the Brewmeister at Alcatraz brewing company in Indy) is named Omar. He's 100% Panamanian.

You shouldn't be friends with Omars!!

[Heracles 417]

Pays to know who your Dr really is, and what they are capable of doing - even then things go wrong. Surgery is not foolproof, no matter how routine.

"Dr. Omar J. Brito Marin"

As I'm openly anti-Arab/Muslim, I would never trust a doctor called "Omar".

You crack me up. However, being that he's in Florida, he's probably South American. Marin is not an Arabic name.

Edited October 2, 2009 by Booyah!

[mawilson 2,133]

Pays to know who your Dr really is, and what they are capable of doing - even then things go wrong. Surgery is not foolproof, no matter how routine.

"Dr. Omar J. Brito Marin"

As I'm openly anti-Arab/Muslim, I would never trust a doctor called "Omar".

You crack me up. However, being that he's in Florida, he's probably South American. Marin is not an Arabic name.

Yeah that's what he wanted you to think

His real name is Mohammed Iram; he decided to change his first name to Ramon, but wrote

RAMON IRAM right-to-left as they do in Arabic and got "MARIN OMAR" instead

[Heracles 417]

He's also a civil surgeon for immigration.

http://www.immigration-lawyer-us.com/FL.shtml