The Return of McCarthyism

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

[Danno 1,228]

McCarthy is awesome.

He's been dead 52 years.

LOL...maybe he meant...

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

Sort of what happened to Joe the Plumber, huh? When people in power intimidate their political opponents through harrassment and undue investigations into their lives, etc.

I thought the guy was full of sh!t, yes. What investigations were these and what happened to the chap? The people in power when this 'Plumber' was 'investigated' were none other than the Bush administration.

Are you serious? Or are you just acting ignorant?

You implied the people in power harassed Joe the Plumber. The people in power at that time were the Bush Administration..........

LOL just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I don't recall McCarthy running anyone info to check if they were behind on Child support payments or was behind on TAXes.

I do recall the mainstream media in the tank for obama running with every dirty story that popped up.

Speaking of Media..... think about what this whole topic is about..... Left wingers.... not complaining about a "new McCarthyism", oh no that would require some Senator or Congressman dragging asking people to explain their affiliations.

No, No, what we have here is the left... suggesting some "radio or TV show hosts" are bad and unamerican because they make claims and even say things offensive.

Bottom line

1. this is not McCarthyism as there is no weight of Gov't behind any charge or claim being made.

2. It is amazing that so recent were the Bush years.... and the fantastic claims made against Bush, his family his reasons for war his involvement in 9/11 his secret deals with terrorist and on and on it went.... Suddenly NOW you worry about people be "Falsely accused"??? (Don't make me laugh)

*Steve tell me, was Ole Van Jones, being wronged... when people accused him of claims that he was or believed in, Communism.

Just exactly what is the truth because I have not really followed the story so much?

McCarthy had access to State Department records and he chaired Senate subcommittees with wide-yielding power. What do you think he was doing with that information - playing tiddly winks?

Thank you for highlighting my point!

Rush or any other person used in this vid even works for the Gov.

So tell us exactly so we will know.... name one person in power this applies too?

[Danno 1,228]

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*Steve tell me, was Ole Van Jones, being wronged... when people accused him of claims that he was or believed in, Communism.

Just exactly what is the truth because I have not really followed the story so much?

[rebeccajo 14]

Does Michelle Bachman calling certain persons "un-american" ring a bell?

[GabiandVi 34]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The video does quite a good job of showing how the accusations by the vitriolic Right Wing pundits out there like Glenn Beck and Michael Savage ....calling Obama a full fledged Communist and Dictator echo the same kind of hysteria and demagoguery that Joseph McCarthy was saying during the Red Scare. You either believe these Right Wing pundits to be sincere in what they are saying or you believe they are just exaggerating for the effect - the result is the same...they are drumming up hysteria and outrage.

And wasn't the argument that Joe the Plumber was harrassed under the Bush administration? What administration are Glenn Beck and Michael Savage living under?

Talk about a thread fail . . . But maybe you don't get that McCarthy used the power of the government to harrass his victims. If Glenn Beck and Michael Savage weild that power then what were the media on the other side of the aisle who accused Bush of even more controversial things than communism guilty of?

Oh, the only way you can be practicing McCarthy-like witch-hunting is if you use the word communist. I get it now. I'm sorry. I guess I misunderstood the Crucible analogy. Here I was thinking that Miller's commentary on McCarthyism was more universal. I guess it only applies when someone is being called a communist. I guess when those people don't have the power that the person they are accusing of communism does. It must still be McCarthyism.

Uh oh. I still haven't convinced myself.

[natty bumppo 297]

Does Michelle Bachman calling certain persons "un-american" ring a bell?

sorta sounds like stevens threads ....

[GabiandVi 34]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

[GabiandVi 34]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

Now you're being ridiculous.

[GabiandVi 34]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

Now you're being ridiculous.

Sorry. Don't get your point. What is ridiculous? That he has or that he, Obama, hasn't been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

Now you're being ridiculous.

Sorry. Don't get your point. What is ridiculous? That he has or that he, Obama, hasn't been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment?

Stop trying to lead me, it ain't gonna work

[GabiandVi 34]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

Now you're being ridiculous.

Sorry. Don't get your point. What is ridiculous? That he has or that he, Obama, hasn't been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment?

Stop trying to lead me, it ain't gonna work

Aha. You are afraid of the McCarthyite harrassment you will get if you admit that Obama isn't a victim. I can understand. I'll leave you in peace.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Joe the Plumber was subjected to Mccarthyite harassment?

oh dear. That's one big fat FAIL, right there.

Just applying the same idiotic criteria for McCarthyite harrassment that the OP did. I think my case is stronger than his.

And your opinion on the CIA probes that were conveniently ignored in my original response?

The exchange you interjected that into had ####### all to do with the original post. That's as far as my involvement with it goes as well.

You are right. It had to do with the following comment on the topic by the OP as proof of his assertions.

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

If you render it down to generalities, then everything becomes relative and meaningless.

My point exactly. Or would you really consider that Obama has been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment? I mean, really. Can you honestly say you believe that? If not, why didn't you point out the original fail? Convenience, perhaps?

Now you're being ridiculous.

Sorry. Don't get your point. What is ridiculous? That he has or that he, Obama, hasn't been subjected to McCarthyite harrassment?

Stop trying to lead me, it ain't gonna work

Aha. You are afraid of the McCarthyite harrassment you will get if you admit that Obama isn't a victim. I can understand. I'll leave you in peace.

It seems you need to keep this exchange going because noone else is replying to you

I said what I came to say in my first post.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

McCarthyism - the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

....

The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

How far off is that definition of the treatment of Joe the Plumber?

The highlighted part, perhaps? It's not like the issues that Joe had were someone's fantasy or made up to make the guy look bad. Those were real, actual issues that the man had. That's far from "unsubstantiated". The communist death panels, on the other hand... Well, get it now?