South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson shouts 'you lie' at Obama

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

FLASHBACK: Harry Reid calls Bush 'loser' and 'liar'...

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5050601814.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6646457/

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/200...te_of_the_union

Joe is a non-story. Its just that Obama took more offense to it than Bush did. So his media is upset about that.

How on Earth do you quantify that?

[sly_wolf 199]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Be my guest. But make sure the lies are somehow equivalent to the cost of the lives in Iraq based in WMD.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I'm not saying he's lying about whats in the bill on this particular point. However, Obama's followers posting here (as opposed to supporters) claim he's never told a lie during the campaign or presidency so far. It just proves their blindness.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I'm not saying he's lying about whats in the bill on this particular point. However, Obama's followers posting here (as opposed to supporters) claim he's never told a lie during the campaign or presidency so far. It just proves their blindness.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

Yes they are and I don't trust any of them as far as I could kick them - but surely as CIC Bush has to assume ultimately responsible, the office of the President is the office of ultimate responsibility, after all.

If Bush wasn't prepared to accept that responsibility, it probably wasn't a good idea to run for President in the first place.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Be my guest. But make sure the lies are somehow equivalent to the cost of the lives in Iraq based in WMD.

Well if they have to cost in lives, I guess we can talk about the Born Alive Act that Obama voted against. His lie that a baby is not a baby until it exits the womb, but if it is born alive and was intended to be aborted, then it still is not a baby and can be killed. I'd guess somewhere to the tune of 48 million babies since 1973. He's not responsible for the initial case, but he's supported it his whole life which makes him responsible. Just as in your mind Bush wasn't pulling the trigger and wasn't technically commanding each battle, but he gave the approval to go just as congress including Hillary did. Other lies can be documented as well.

[rebeccajo 14]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Sure Hussein was a liar. If anyone in Washington thought there was WMD for a time that shouldn't be hard to fathom. But Bush was given the proof and continued to propogate the misconception. That has cost the lives of over 4200 American service men and women.

Edited September 10, 2009 by rebeccajo

[The_Dude 1,142]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Be my guest. But make sure the lies are somehow equivalent to the cost of the lives in Iraq based in WMD.

Well if they have to cost in lives, I guess we can talk about the Born Alive Act that Obama voted against. His lie that a baby is not a baby until it exits the womb, but if it is born alive and was intended to be aborted, then it still is not a baby and can be killed. I'd guess somewhere to the tune of 48 million babies since 1973. He's not responsible for the initial case, but he's supported it his whole life which makes him responsible. Just as in your mind Bush wasn't pulling the trigger and wasn't technically commanding each battle, but he gave the approval to go just as congress including Hillary did. Other lies can be documented as well.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I really don't want to dredge up that same old conversation about the war (as it really has been done to undeath on here), but watching the news coverage in the UK during the build up in 2002, it was very very obvious what was going on - and the arrogance of British and US politicians over the matter was staggering. They essentially made no attempt to hide what they doing - it was very blatant.

At least some of Blair's inner circle (Claire Short & Robin Cook) had the guts to either resign over the issue and or else made their objections so public that they were forcibly removed from the cabinet.

Edited September 10, 2009 by Private Pike

[Fandango 1,439]

That's cos he's gonna make all illegals, legal...so asking about illegals is superfluous cos there aint gonna be anymore once they all get amnesty

just watch!

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Be my guest. But make sure the lies are somehow equivalent to the cost of the lives in Iraq based in WMD.

Well if they have to cost in lives, I guess we can talk about the Born Alive Act that Obama voted against. His lie that a baby is not a baby until it exits the womb, but if it is born alive and was intended to be aborted, then it still is not a baby and can be killed. I'd guess somewhere to the tune of 48 million babies since 1973. He's not responsible for the initial case, but he's supported it his whole life which makes him responsible. Just as in your mind Bush wasn't pulling the trigger and wasn't technically commanding each battle, but he gave the approval to go just as congress including Hillary did. Other lies can be documented as well.

If pictures help you illustrate and read better, thats ok with me little fella.

[Fandango 1,439]

as far as Bush and Iraq, if anyone wants to actually educate themselves about the world's prevailing view and the evidence towards Iraq for the years leading up to the war....well this whole 'Bush lied' mantra would just seem so silly after you really see the facts and who-said-what-when concerning WMDs.

[The_Dude 1,142]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Be my guest. But make sure the lies are somehow equivalent to the cost of the lives in Iraq based in WMD.

Well if they have to cost in lives, I guess we can talk about the Born Alive Act that Obama voted against. His lie that a baby is not a baby until it exits the womb, but if it is born alive and was intended to be aborted, then it still is not a baby and can be killed. I'd guess somewhere to the tune of 48 million babies since 1973. He's not responsible for the initial case, but he's supported it his whole life which makes him responsible. Just as in your mind Bush wasn't pulling the trigger and wasn't technically commanding each battle, but he gave the approval to go just as congress including Hillary did. Other lies can be documented as well.

If pictures help you illustrate and read better, thats ok with me little fella.

Sorry Joseph, I was just trying to make it easier for you to comprehend. I know you lack the proper skills to carry on a legitimate discourse. I am only trying to help you out by pointing out the various language devices that you are failing at. In the above post, you used a red herring, trying to dodge the topic at hand. It is generally considered proper form to stay on topic and avoid such insipid pitfalls.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I guess Hillary, Bill, Kerry, Gore, Evan Bayh, and a host of others were also liars based on WMD's as well?

We know Hussein was a liar when he threatened chemical weapons on us if we attacked.

However Bush was proven to be a liar.

And so is Obama. Whats your point?

Not enough time has passed for any real proof. It's been only assumed so far.

If you like I can list all of the lies he made during the campaign and several documented during the presidency.

Sure Hussein was a liar. If anyone in Washington there was WMD for a time that shouldn't be hard to fathom. But Bush was given the proof and continued to propogate the misconception. That has cost the lives of over 4200 American service men and women.

The battle changed years ago. The inital ingression was about WMD, and a host of other items such as disclosure, and numerous reslutions in the UN that never followed through. Now there is plenty of al qaeda and insurgents to clean out. If Obama disagreed with that, he'd have pulled out already. You can't necessarily say that those dying now are dying because of WMD.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

One thing I will say is how strange (and highly suspicious) it was that the evidence used to justify the war policy was so incredibly flimsy on the face of it.

Again it was very obvious that we were railroaded into this - regardless of what anyone said. The only reason that the Bush administration went through the motions at the UN was because Blair insisted that they needed a second resolution to justify it and give it a veneer of legality. The Bush administration, apparently, wanted to go to war without involving the UN at all.

It would have set an incredibly bad precedent - had they done that.

Edited September 10, 2009 by Private Pike