K-1 Help and Legalities

[g.areth 0]

But, correct me if im wrong but ommitting that she had worked was lying on the forms...I thought this was a no no...

[payxibka 10,048]

yes, she committed a no no....

[g.areth 0]

yes, she committed a no no....

ok...and you aren't worried about this?

[payxibka 10,048]

yes, she committed a no no....

ok...and you aren't worried about this?

absolutely not

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

So what should we do then? State his employment or not? What do you think?

I say "state it" and sleep well tonight.

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

yes, she committed a no no....

In Ukraine, where Pay's wife and mine are from, I think about 80% of income is "under the table" an excellent example of what happens when the government tries to tax people too much...they just don't pay it. I doubt any Ukrainian's G-325a is exactly correct for the last five years. People also tend to have lots of "jobs" doing anything little thing they can to earn money here or there and even people with "white money" jobs usually get a large percentage of their income under the table, sometimes only claiming 30% of their income. It is such an underground economy I just doubt it is possible to cover everything for the average Ukrainian.

The US government does not concern itself with collecting taxes for other countries.

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

So what should we do then? State his employment or not? What do you think?

I would indicate the truth.... as far as I know they do not verify any previous employment

Yes we want to indicate the truth, but we're just afraid...Even if we get our visa, years and years down the road we are afraid he could be deported, because they could somehow say he lied on his forms. Do you think we should put an attachment, or get advice from the consultate?

Only if they discover his previous employment was somehow a disqualifying factor...an illegal drug dealer for instance. Otherwise you need not be afraid.

You are not lying if you state his job and they will not deport him because he did not pay taxes to the UK.

Edited August 14, 2009 by Gary and Alla

[adventure509 0]

From what I have read all the way through this visa journey and seem to be the best way is to always tell the truth. In this case they are concerned with your employment and not his because you will be the one having to show the ability to suport him. If the question about his employment comes up then just tell the truth! I don't beleive that a tax question will even be brought up about his country and what he has paid in the past. Uncle Sam is concerned about your earnings.

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

From what I have read all the way through this visa journey and seem to be the best way is to always tell the truth. In this case they are concerned with your employment and not his because you will be the one having to show the ability to suport him. If the question about his employment comes up then just tell the truth! I don't beleive that a tax question will even be brought up about his country and what he has paid in the past. Uncle Sam is concerned about your earnings.

The G-325a has nothing to do with ability to support someone. It doesn't even ask income levels.

It is part of a general background check system. When background (name checks) are done it is often that your name can match the name of a foreign or domestic "bad guy". The more information they have on you the easier it is to determine that you are not THAT guy. They need the information for both people. Parents names, residence address, and even stated place of employment help to separate one John Smith from the next John Smith.

Telling the truth is best. Omitting a job or residence is not "lying", it is an ommission. If you forget to mention their paper route or the cash job selling cell phone cards then no one really cares. And it is not a question or matter that affects visa issuance. Ommitting information which otherwise is benign can onluy hurt the petitioner and beneficiary as it can make it more difficult to determine if they are THAT guy in a name check....though I doubt it. I susupect that question is usually answered by the information on place of birth or parents names.

[CherryBlossom123 0]

Thank you for all your comments and replies, as usual they have been most helpful.

Let me get something straight, we were never ever were going to lie on the forms we just needed some advice on what we should do. So, all of you think we should put down my fiance's employer even though his employer can't be found or traced, and no record of my fiance working for him, and put his address down as his parents, even though it says on the government database he wasn't there for two years?

To payxibka: I'm curious why did your wife put unemployed and not state she was employed, aren't you worried about this coming back and biting you...?

Edited August 14, 2009 by CherryBlossom123

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

Thank you for all your comments and replies, as usual they have been most helpful.

Let me get something straight, we were never ever were going to lie on the forms we just needed some advice on what we should do. So, all of you think we should put down my fiance's employer even though his employer can't be found or traced, and no record of my fiance working for him, and put his address down as his parents, even though it says on the government database he wasn't there for two years?

To payxibka: I'm curious why did your wife put unemployed and not state she was employed, aren't you worried about this coming back and biting you...?

Yes, I say list it and sleep well. If I were Payixbka I would not worry either.

[g.areth 0]

So what should we do then? State his employment or not? What do you think?

I would indicate the truth.... as far as I know they do not verify any previous employment

Yes we want to indicate the truth, but we're just afraid...Even if we get our visa, years and years down the road we are afraid he could be deported, because they could somehow say he lied on his forms. Do you think we should put an attachment, or get advice from the consultate?

Only if they discover his previous employment was somehow a disqualifying factor...an illegal drug dealer for instance. Otherwise you need not be afraid.

You are not lying if you state his job and they will not deport him because he did not pay taxes to the UK.

From what I have read, she isn't afraid of them stating his job or residence. Its the fact that his employer can't be traced and there is no record of him working there. Therefore they are afraid if they put this down it could be used now or years later against them in saying they lied about it on the forms. The residence issue, again from what I read is that it says on a database somewhere in the UK that her fiance wasn't living at his parents when he was and again if he states the truth then they could say h was lying again either now or in the future.

[Gary and Alla 3,695]

So what should we do then? State his employment or not? What do you think?

I would indicate the truth.... as far as I know they do not verify any previous employment

Yes we want to indicate the truth, but we're just afraid...Even if we get our visa, years and years down the road we are afraid he could be deported, because they could somehow say he lied on his forms. Do you think we should put an attachment, or get advice from the consultate?

Only if they discover his previous employment was somehow a disqualifying factor...an illegal drug dealer for instance. Otherwise you need not be afraid.

You are not lying if you state his job and they will not deport him because he did not pay taxes to the UK.

From what I have read, she isn't afraid of them stating his job or residence. Its the fact that his employer can't be traced and there is no record of him working there. Therefore they are afraid if they put this down it could be used now or years later against them in saying they lied about it on the forms. The residence issue, again from what I read is that it says on a database somewhere in the UK that her fiance wasn't living at his parents when he was and again if he states the truth then they could say h was lying again either now or in the future.

Some people need to worry I suppose. But lets take this from the top.

She should list his ACTUAL residence, if that is with his parents, the that is the TRUTH. That he LIED to the UK government is of NO CONCERN to the US government. If she wants to list BOTH addresses, she can do that also and state the time he lived there. Answer with the TRUTH regardless of what some paper in UK says. Same with jobs. State the TRUTH as best to your knowledge. If it cannot be verified because the employer did not report it, it is still the TRUTH. To my knowledge the US government makes no attempt to verify this and if they did...so what? His employer cheated the UK government, who cares? Certainly no one at USCIS.

This is much ado over absolutely nothing. I can state that I am SURE my wife's G-325 ommited some of her work history as given the circumstance of living in Ukraine it is probably not possible to have kept track of all the jobs in a 5 year period, both "black" money and "white" money jobs. Our son had TWO jobs (black money) while he was there visiting this summer for 2 months. He made some extra vacation cash selling cell phone cards at a kiosk and videos at a video store. Big deal. In 4-5 years he will have forgotten all about them and I am sure there is no record of it. And what? Our G-325 was filled out to the best our knowledge. It is way over thinking to even imagine anything you put on there needs to be verified by anyone.

[beans 7]

Agreed. Be truthful, state everything you know. You will be fine. This thread just keeps rehashing the same facts.

[g.areth 0]

So what should we do then? State his employment or not? What do you think?

I would indicate the truth.... as far as I know they do not verify any previous employment

Yes we want to indicate the truth, but we're just afraid...Even if we get our visa, years and years down the road we are afraid he could be deported, because they could somehow say he lied on his forms. Do you think we should put an attachment, or get advice from the consultate?

Only if they discover his previous employment was somehow a disqualifying factor...an illegal drug dealer for instance. Otherwise you need not be afraid.

You are not lying if you state his job and they will not deport him because he did not pay taxes to the UK.

From what I have read, she isn't afraid of them stating his job or residence. Its the fact that his employer can't be traced and there is no record of him working there. Therefore they are afraid if they put this down it could be used now or years later against them in saying they lied about it on the forms. The residence issue, again from what I read is that it says on a database somewhere in the UK that her fiance wasn't living at his parents when he was and again if he states the truth then they could say h was lying again either now or in the future.

Some people need to worry I suppose. But lets take this from the top.

She should list his ACTUAL residence, if that is with his parents, the that is the TRUTH. That he LIED to the UK government is of NO CONCERN to the US government. If she wants to list BOTH addresses, she can do that also and state the time he lived there. Answer with the TRUTH regardless of what some paper in UK says. Same with jobs. State the TRUTH as best to your knowledge. If it cannot be verified because the employer did not report it, it is still the TRUTH. To my knowledge the US government makes no attempt to verify this and if they did...so what? His employer cheated the UK government, who cares? Certainly no one at USCIS.

This is much ado over absolutely nothing. I can state that I am SURE my wife's G-325 ommited some of her work history as given the circumstance of living in Ukraine it is probably not possible to have kept track of all the jobs in a 5 year period, both "black" money and "white" money jobs. Our son had TWO jobs (black money) while he was there visiting this summer for 2 months. He made some extra vacation cash selling cell phone cards at a kiosk and videos at a video store. Big deal. In 4-5 years he will have forgotten all about them and I am sure there is no record of it. And what? Our G-325 was filled out to the best our knowledge. It is way over thinking to even imagine anything you put on there needs to be verified by anyone.

E\veryone says to say the truth which I am not arguing she should or shouldn't but then you have a few people saying they know they ommitted info on the forms. I am really confused...doesn't it say on the forms not to ommit anything?? As you say it may not be verified or such but what if this was used ie signing under the penalty of perjury later on for basis to strip the person of their green card? As for verifying his employment, the USCIS probably couldn't as she said that his employer had as they say 'flown the coop'...

Sorry of this is rehashing

Edited August 15, 2009 by g.areth