Morality

[Peikko 1,575]

I retract my statement

Will you tell a patient that "there would be no reason for him to live"?

LaL would you want to live like that? Have you ever been to a nursing home? Sitting in a nursing home as a vegetable and not even knowing what's going on around you isn't a life. It's a place you go while waiting to die because no one else can take care of you anymore.

So there would be no reason for him to live, in your opinion (assuming based on your question above).

Those who get to know me instead of try to bait me know that I had a brother who was severely mentally and physically handicapped. He was basically a "vegetable". He was always severely handicapped, but it wasn't until he was about 9 or 10 when he actually got to the point where he couldn't function at all. He was constantly in pain. He couldn't walk, talk, or even eat. He had a feeding tube and relied on iv medications on a daily basis. He died when he was 12. I would not wish that life upon anyone. Not for them or for one of their family members to have to deal with. If Jim was going to be a vegetable I think C would be the best option. If he wasn't going to be a vegetable then I choose A. Ultimately, it is NOT my decision or your decision what happens to Jim. Jim has to decide what he thinks is best for him and for his family.

PS. We all agree that my brother had absolutely no value to anyone besides us. He had nothing to offer to anyone. That didn't make us love him any less.

I assume, although I do not know, that medical ethics is an integral part of any course that one would have to take in order to become a Dr. I would imagine questions like this are part of such an ethics course (One would certainly hope so) and that by examining and discussing all the implications of a decision, Dr's have a thorough understanding of the ethical as well as medical ramifications of their decisions. I have no doubt that Amber is quite capable of passing such a course. I don't see anything callous or unthoughtful about her answers up to now. Perhaps I missed something?

I would not want Shooter as my Dr though. He appears not to have any empathetic skills and has a wandering moral compass. He also seems to believe suicide by hand gun is not only a reasonable, but the most 'honorable' choice for people facing such circumstances. Perhaps he would have a spare hand gun in his surgery should the need arise?

Edited July 22, 2009 by Madame Cleo

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A

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so now we're gonna diverge off onto some vj member's alleged moral compass

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so now we're gonna diverge off onto some vj member's alleged moral compass

Well...

[Peikko 1,575]

life is a ####### shoot. he rolled snake eyes.

What does that mean?

It means that if you are blessed with good health then you deserve to live a long and prosperous life. Should you be born with any kind of disability, or potential therefore, you either pay even if you have no money or you suffer because of the disability. That's the hand god dealt you

I'd have preferred if you let him explain his own idiom, but now that you've taken the time to type that out.... Charles, is that an accurate assessment? If not, please explain.

He never explains anything, just posts inanities. You are in for a long wait.

this gem from someone who still hasn't answered about where someone's personal space is on the internet

I already answered it, Charlie boy. I actually thought you understood what I posted. Clearly I gave you more credit than was warranted.

you should enter politics, you give the best non-answers and think you've accomplished the goal.

You need to learn to own your ignorance Charles

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I would not want Shooter as my Dr though. He appears not to have any empathetic skills and has a wandering moral compass. He also seems to believe suicide by hand gun is not only a reasonable, but the most 'honorable' choice for people facing such circumstances. Perhaps he would have a spare hand gun in his surgery should the need arise?

Ever watch scrubs?

Dr. Cox...

Edited July 22, 2009 by Private Pike

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I have to agree about the vegetable state. I have a living will that states DNR in cases of brain death. I think everyone should have a living will that explicitly states their wishes so that their spouse/children/parents/etc do not have to make that decision.

Just remember that some folks in the 'we want to deny our neighbors free healthcare (whatever that means) because we have jobs' will then try to force your family to keep you on life support.

Weird indeed.

[Peikko 1,575]

I would not want Shooter as my Dr though. He appears not to have any empathetic skills and has a wandering moral compass. He also seems to believe suicide by hand gun is not only a reasonable, but the most 'honorable' choice for people facing such circumstances. Perhaps he would have a spare hand gun in his surgery should the need arise?

Ever watch scrubs?

Dr. Cox...

I do, and yes indeed

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

life is a ####### shoot. he rolled snake eyes.

What does that mean?

It means that if you are blessed with good health then you deserve to live a long and prosperous life. Should you be born with any kind of disability, or potential therefore, you either pay even if you have no money or you suffer because of the disability. That's the hand god dealt you

I'd have preferred if you let him explain his own idiom, but now that you've taken the time to type that out.... Charles, is that an accurate assessment? If not, please explain.

He never explains anything, just posts inanities. You are in for a long wait.

this gem from someone who still hasn't answered about where someone's personal space is on the internet

I already answered it, Charlie boy. I actually thought you understood what I posted. Clearly I gave you more credit than was warranted.

you should enter politics, you give the best non-answers and think you've accomplished the goal.

You need to learn to own your ignorance Charles

i'm doing just that, and it's named faith

[Peikko 1,575]

life is a ####### shoot. he rolled snake eyes.

What does that mean?

It means that if you are blessed with good health then you deserve to live a long and prosperous life. Should you be born with any kind of disability, or potential therefore, you either pay even if you have no money or you suffer because of the disability. That's the hand god dealt you

I'd have preferred if you let him explain his own idiom, but now that you've taken the time to type that out.... Charles, is that an accurate assessment? If not, please explain.

He never explains anything, just posts inanities. You are in for a long wait.

this gem from someone who still hasn't answered about where someone's personal space is on the internet

I already answered it, Charlie boy. I actually thought you understood what I posted. Clearly I gave you more credit than was warranted.

you should enter politics, you give the best non-answers and think you've accomplished the goal.

You need to learn to own your ignorance Charles

i'm doing just that, and it's named faith

No, you keep trying to pass it like a hot potato. Either you understand why Charlie boy is an invasion of your public space, or your original objection to it was disingenuous. Care to elaborate? Nope, you will not because as per your usual modus operendi, a focus on the minutia means you don't have to actually give an opinion or explain one of your flip comments. You can just fob that off onto someone or something else as if it has some meaning beyond what it really is, inanity.

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No, you keep trying to pass it like a hot potato. Either you understand why Charlie boy is an invasion of your public space, or your original objection to it was disingenuous. Care to elaborate? Nope, you will not because as per your usual modus operendi, a focus on the minutia means you don't have to actually give an opinion or explain one of your flip comments. You can just fob that off onto someone or something else as if it has some meaning beyond what it really is, inanity.

still no answer what "personal space" is on the internet. you never fail to disappoint me. keep up the blah blah blah without answering that question.

[Peikko 1,575]

I can't be clearer, you can't be more obtuse - meanwhile A.J is patiently waiting. Surprise, surprise.

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No I'm not I know what snake eyes are now. Jenn told me.

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh, it's ok for Jenn to answer for Charles but not me. Got it

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He hates you. You're different.