Is It Really Necessary????

[Fandango 1,440]

Ironically aren't many people all in arms about frivolous medical lawsuits? Well... there you go.

Why does it seem many are up in arms over opinions like mine? Do you see me calling you names or throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this conversation? Do you see me mocking you for accepting something which I think seems wrong? No. Medical lawsuits have nothing to do with the point I am making, and I hope I'm not wrong by crediting you with enough intelligence to see the difference.

Am I wrong to do that, HAL?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Are kindergarden records public record? I think you know what I was referring to!

You most certainly seem to think that kindergarten records are public record. Remember your earlier post? It clearly referred to them.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103918

Because he doesn't want to make PUBLIC RECORDS, public?

But keep laughing about the lunacy you seek to spread here. It's quite laughable indeed and you seem to start to realize that.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But exactly who are all of these people - I googled a couple and besides the Pennsylvania Democrat and a couple of retired lawyers most of these people seem to be Average Joe's.

Hell, I could file a case if I wanted to... It doesn't mean I have anything substantial behind it - other than say online blogs or petitions telling me how to phrase a suit and what argumetns to use.

Right, but my point to posting that was to show even just a sampling of how ridiculous this is that it hasn't been settled yet. Why all the damned secrecy over a public document? Think about it.

Which of these cases was actually found to have any merit? Think about it.

[HAL 9000 96]

Probably because the kind of people promoting these arguments won't be swayed by the proof. Hell, look at the response to certificate that's already in the public domain.

Indeed. What could make most wonder is the strange sense of 'reason' being promoted against all common sense.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I imagine there were a lot of private lawsuits filed during the Bush administration

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I imagine there were a lot of private lawsuits filed during the Bush administration

Those plaintiffs would all have been labeled traitors and America haterz. Heck, Cheney might have shipped them off to Gitmo.

[HAL 9000 96]

Ironically aren't many people all in arms about frivolous medical lawsuits? Well... there you go.

Why does it seem many are up in arms over opinions like mine? Do you see me calling you names or throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this conversation? Do you see me mocking you for accepting something which I think seems wrong? No. Medical lawsuits have nothing to do with the point I am making, and I hope I'm not wrong by crediting you with enough intelligence to see the difference.

Am I wrong to do that, HAL?

Its your right to question anything Lisa.

Its also your prerogative to ignore the simple difference between frivolous claims that have been addressed by most outlets of information and the obvious political inclination to raise as many distractions dressed in 'legitimacy' in order to create discord where otherwise, there is little reason to do such a thing.

I am sure Obama will present most of us reason enough to disagree with his... methodology... as I am very sure MOST people available for comment would state the obvious that raising non-issues is pretty darn silly.

[Fandango 1,440]

Are kindergarden records public record? I think you know what I was referring to!

You most certainly seem to think that kindergarten records are public record. Remember your earlier post? It clearly referred to them.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103918

Because he doesn't want to make PUBLIC RECORDS, public?

But keep laughing about the lunacy you seek to spread here. It's quite laughable indeed and you seem to start to realize that.

On no planet does kindergarten records constitute public records. The reference to that was to illustrate what I find to be interesting and behavior indicative of a cover up. Don't grasp at straws, you're old enough to be competent in reading comprehension. Or are you saying you truly don't know what I refer to when I say 'public records'?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Are kindergarden records public record? I think you know what I was referring to!

You most certainly seem to think that kindergarten records are public record. Remember your earlier post? It clearly referred to them.

WND has reported that among the documentation not yet available for Obama includes his kindergarten records, his Punahou school records, his Occidental College records, his Columbia University records, his Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, his passport, his medical records, his files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records, and his adoption records.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103918

Because he doesn't want to make PUBLIC RECORDS, public?

But keep laughing about the lunacy you seek to spread here. It's quite laughable indeed and you seem to start to realize that.

On no planet does kindergarten records constitute public records. The reference to that was to illustrate what I find to be interesting and behavior indicative of a cover up. Don't grasp at straws, you're old enough to be competent in reading comprehension. Or are you saying you truly don't know what I refer to when I say 'public records'?

I'm not the one grasping at straws. You are as is Orly and WND and it's following.

Birth Certificate? Check.

Medical records? Check.

DAVID L. SCHEINER, M.D.

Hyde Park Associates in Medicine, Ltd.

1515 East 52nd Place, Chicago, IL 60615

To Whom It May Concern:

I am David L. Scheiner, a board certified general internist licensed to practice in the State of Illinois. I am on staff at the University of Chicago Hospitals and Rush University Medical Center. I have been Senator Barack Obama’s primary care physician since March 23, 1987. The following is a summary of his medical records for the past 21 years.

During that period of time, Senator Obama has been in excellent health. He has been seen regularly for medical checkups and various minor problems such as upper respiratory infections, skin rashes and minor injuries.

His family history is pertinent for his mother’s death from ovarian cancer and grandfather who died of prostate cancer. His own history included intermittent cigarette smoking. He has quit this practice on several occasions and is currently using Nicorette gum with success.

Senator Obama’s last medical checkup was on January 15, 2007; he had no complaints. He exercised regularly often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. A complete review of systems was unremarkable. On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat. His physical examination was completely normal.

Laboratory studies included triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal.

In short, his examination showed him to be in excellent health. Senator Barack Obama is in overall good physical and mental health needed to maintain the resiliency required in the Office of President.

Sincerely,

David L. Scheiner, M.D.

Education? Check.

Barack Obama’s Education Background

High School:

Punahou School

Honolulu, HI

Graduated in 1979

College:

Occidental College, 2 years, no degree

Columbia University

Bachelor’s Degree in International Relations

Graduated in 1983

Harvard Law

Juris Doctorate (J.D.)

Graduated in 1991

Magna Cum Laude

Columbia thesis, his Harvard Law School records, his Harvard Law Review articles, his scholarly articles from the University of Chicago? What makes any of these items a requirement to be President of the United States? Same for the passport. Why is this even requested? On what basis?

Edited July 17, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[Fandango 1,440]

Ironically aren't many people all in arms about frivolous medical lawsuits? Well... there you go.

Why does it seem many are up in arms over opinions like mine? Do you see me calling you names or throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this conversation? Do you see me mocking you for accepting something which I think seems wrong? No. Medical lawsuits have nothing to do with the point I am making, and I hope I'm not wrong by crediting you with enough intelligence to see the difference.

Am I wrong to do that, HAL?

Its your right to question anything Lisa.

Its also your prerogative to ignore the simple difference between frivolous claims that have been addressed by most outlets of information and the obvious political inclination to raise as many distractions dressed in 'legitimacy' in order to create discord where otherwise, there is little reason to do such a thing.

I am sure Obama will present most of us reason enough to disagree with his... methodology... as I am very sure MOST people available for comment would state the obvious that raising non-issues is pretty darn silly.

AFAIC, he's not doing a bang up job already...I don't think there's any shortage of fodder for discord. And you can find it silly all you want, but me and others like me who think 'hang on, why is he going through such great lengths to hide it?' are not doing so to raise distractions. Well, at least I'm not...and I have spoken to many like me who feel the same. Although I cannot talk for everyone, obviously. And I have already admitted that I am quite sure this horse will be ridden until the very end by the die hard conservatives who will do it simply because they can. Just as the die hard Liberals would have done the very same thing in the opposite situation.

But you do yourself a disservice by dismissing the legitimacy of people having differing opinions that you might find 'ludicrous/ridiculous/etc' You're letting your own bias and belligerence show through, which doesn't do you any favors (imo) if you're trying to have a civilized conversation where parties may vehemently disagree. I have not been trying to sway your opinion here...I don't care that you don't agree. That's your choice. What I've been trying to illustrate is that my opinion, and others like mine, have a right to voice it and to be respected. Just as much as yours does.

In civilized company, of course.

[HAL 9000 96]

Ironically aren't many people all in arms about frivolous medical lawsuits? Well... there you go.

Why does it seem many are up in arms over opinions like mine? Do you see me calling you names or throwing everything but the kitchen sink into this conversation? Do you see me mocking you for accepting something which I think seems wrong? No. Medical lawsuits have nothing to do with the point I am making, and I hope I'm not wrong by crediting you with enough intelligence to see the difference.

Am I wrong to do that, HAL?

Its your right to question anything Lisa.

Its also your prerogative to ignore the simple difference between frivolous claims that have been addressed by most outlets of information and the obvious political inclination to raise as many distractions dressed in 'legitimacy' in order to create discord where otherwise, there is little reason to do such a thing.

I am sure Obama will present most of us reason enough to disagree with his... methodology... as I am very sure MOST people available for comment would state the obvious that raising non-issues is pretty darn silly.

AFAIC, he's not doing a bang up job already...I don't think there's any shortage of fodder for discord. And you can find it silly all you want, but me and others like me who think 'hang on, why is he going through such great lengths to hide it?' are not doing so to raise distractions. Well, at least I'm not...and I have spoken to many like me who feel the same. Although I cannot talk for everyone, obviously. And I have already admitted that I am quite sure this horse will be ridden until the very end by the die hard conservatives who will do it simply because they can. Just as the die hard Liberals would have done the very same thing in the opposite situation.

But you do yourself a disservice by dismissing the legitimacy of people having differing opinions that you might find 'ludicrous/ridiculous/etc' You're letting your own bias and belligerence show through, which doesn't do you any favors (imo) if you're trying to have a civilized conversation where parties may vehemently disagree. I have not been trying to sway your opinion here...I don't care that you don't agree. That's your choice. What I've been trying to illustrate is that my opinion, and others like mine, have a right to voice it and to be respected. Just as much as yours does.

In civilized company, of course.

Like I said... there's reason enough to disagree with the job he's doing (and debatable points as to the what and how of that exists). Then there's frivolity. And that's where the whole 'debate' about this silly certificate lies. There is a right to express oneself as one sees fit- no matter the source of the debate (issues AND non-issues alike); and should it be a frivolous non-issue... then those in the common sense side truly have the right to belittle their 'opposition' as they see fit. If you take common sense as belligerent, so be it.

There is a fight where it is insisted upon by the reciprocation it strives to achieve.

[Fandango 1,440]

It's quite arrogant to presume your 'side' of the opinion is the only one which employs 'common sense'. And it's apparent to me that it's quite a waste of time to think I can help you understand that.

[Peikko 1,575]

What evidence do you require Lisa? To be able to handle the Long certificate in your own hands? What arrogance is that to assume that you can recognize the legitimacy of a document better than the administrative staff who keep these records in Hawaii and provided the LEGITIMATE short certificate for all to see?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's quite arrogant to presume your 'side' of the opinion is the only one which employs 'common sense'. And it's apparent to me that it's quite a waste of time to think I can help you understand that.

And it's apparently a waste of time to try to make a lunatic fringe that in well over a year and via numerous cases it brought to the courts failed to convince even a single judge - much less the public at large - that there is any merit whatsoever to their "case" acknowledge that they are hanging on to nothing but an illusion. There's no common sense to be detected if all you have are claims without any shred of any actual evidence that these claims have any merit.

What evidence do you require Lisa? To be able to handle the Long certificate in your own hands? What arrogance is that to assume that you can recognize the legitimacy of a document better than the administrative staff who keep these records in Hawaii and provided the LEGITIMATE short certificate for all to see?

And confirmed that the short form accurately reflects what the original states.

[Fandango 1,440]

What evidence do you require Lisa? To be able to handle the Long certificate in your own hands? What arrogance is that to assume that you can recognize the legitimacy of a document better than the administrative staff who keep these records in Hawaii and provided the LEGITIMATE short certificate for all to see?

Yes, it's arrogance to presume the 'other side' lacks common sense because you see things differently.

The point here is, NONE of us truly know ####### is going on...none of you can say why it hasn't been produced. You think it's fine, that's great. Others don't. I'm not claiming the short certification of birth is a forgery. I'm saying it's not the long form Birth Certificate. I'm saying I find it odd that those records (and others) are being kept under such secrecy and the POTUS is unwilling to put a stop to all this simply by providing something which is supposed to be a document of the people.

Any more explanation needed and you'll have to read what I've already written.