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What justification do we then have to hold them further, or else deport them to a country where they will most likely be executed?

How do you know they will be executed? How do you know they are not a threat to the American people?

So why not send them back to their own country if no one else in the whole wide world will take them in? Better that than the streets of the USA.

I don't know any of these things. Neither do you.

From what I've read the reason they won't deport the Uighurs to China is that they will be subject to torture and/or execution (because there is a track record of abuse of political dissidents in that country).

Generally speaking we grant asylum to such people.

Again...who is this "we"? Don't involve me in this fiasco. I don't want these people in my community without a whole lot more detailed disclosure. NIMBY!

This country's immigration laws generally provide sanctuary for people in the event that its demonstrate that the immigrants removal to their home country would likely result in torture, execution or poltical imprisonment. I rather suspect that there's no public disclosure on the disposition of aslyees.

This isn't a typical case of course - but I expect similar principles would apply.

Oh, come on, man! So if you don't think foreigners picked up allegedly conducting terrorist training with Al Qaeda and subsequently held at Guantanamo Bay are just typical immigrants seeking asylum, what are they? I don't know about your comfort level, but I do believe there is enough smoke going on there to give a strong indication of fire. I don't know why no one else in the world doesn't want them, but I surely think they are better off "home" (or anywhere else) than loose on the streets of America. If it's an either / or proposition...I know which choice I'd take.

I certainly don't want innocent people to be tortured, imprisoned, or executed solely for political belief, but why take a chance with the safety of the American people. Gambling should not be an option.

Whatever you or I believe, its surely the law of the land that will rule on the final disposition of these people. But this is not a typical scenario by any means.

The point of course is that we should never have opened this door to begin with.

Again and yet again...who is this "we"? As far as I'm concerned these guys are doing just fine down in Gitmo. And if they end up somewhere else beside America I'm cool with that too.

And it is Obama that wants them released into America. The point of this convoluted thread is that I don't agree that is an acceptable conclusion to this.

We is "Us". The nation.

You & Me represented by the government.

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Look, US picked them up - apparently wrongly (check the NY Times, there was an article on them couple of weeks ago), China put them on the terrorist list just because they are muslims and don't follow the communist regime. US should now take care of them, why would other countries take them?

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Look, US picked them up - apparently wrongly (check the NY Times, there was an article on them couple of weeks ago), China put them on the terrorist list just because they are muslims and don't follow the communist regime. US should now take care of them, why would other countries take them?

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Look, US picked them up - apparently wrongly (check the NY Times, there was an article on them couple of weeks ago), China put them on the terrorist list just because they are muslims and don't follow the communist regime. US should now take care of them, why would other countries take them?

Gee...if the NY Times says we ought to cut them loose on the streets of America then that is the last word?

How about the administration being forthcoming with legitimate questions from congress on the safety of releasing these people on the streets of America? They have no qualms about releasing other classified materials concerning Gitmo. Why the reluctance in this case?

It was many European governments and peoples that b*tched and moaned about Gitmo, but far be it from them to take these people? If you want them cared for why not care for them in Gitmo? That way there is no chance of blowback on the American people if dangerous people are cut loose on the streets of the USA. Why even gamble on the safety of even one American life if there is any doubt about these people?

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

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Look, US picked them up - apparently wrongly (check the NY Times, there was an article on them couple of weeks ago), China put them on the terrorist list just because they are muslims and don't follow the communist regime. US should now take care of them, why would other countries take them?

Gee...if the NY Times says we ought to cut them loose on the streets of America then that is the last word?

How about the administration being forthcoming with legitimate questions from congress on the safety of releasing these people on the streets of America? They have no qualms about releasing other classified materials concerning Gitmo. Why the reluctance in this case?

It was many European governments and peoples that b*tched and moaned about Gitmo, but far be it from them to take these people? If you want them cared for why not care for them in Gitmo? That way there is no chance of blowback on the American people if dangerous people are cut loose on the streets of the USA. Why even gamble on the safety of even one American life if there is any doubt about these people?

Actually, some European governments expressed interest in taking some of the former detainees provided the US gives all the information they have on them. So far, not sure it happened. I can tell you that Bosnia took back 5 out of 8 Bosnians who were just rounded up one winter night and taken to Gitmo 6-7 years ago -- they were naturalized Bosnians with origins from MENA countries.

Again, read the NY Times article - it was pretty objective.

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