Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf

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1996? What is the relevance to current events? Shelby, what made you want to bring this up now?

Why I brought this up is because it was a question last night when I was playing trivial pursuit. I had never heard about this and got to thinking about this issue and wanted to know what others here thought about it.

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was it a part of the games before he started playing: yes.

if he didn't want to stand, then he should have thought of that before he became a basketball player.

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Before stating examples you should perhaps define what it is you want discussed and clarify your own points of view when opening a thread.

something tells me I will find my self in the situation again... sigh

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was it a part of the games before he started playing: yes.

if he didn't want to stand, then he should have thought of that before he became a basketball player.

yes true but the NBA could of ignored it altogether but chose not too. Some would say they should of just let it go, I disagree

[Peikko 1,575]

As someone said, is it written in any NBA regulation? If it is simply 'customary' then he can do as he pleases. One rather suspects it is, or there would have been more severe repercussions. I expect, like with many of these 'incidents' it was more a question of some 'good patriot' pointing out the error of his ways, than any serious problem the NBA had with his attitude.

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Yeah we're not exactly talking about steroid abuse in baseball (ya know, a real scandal).

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As someone said, is it written in any NBA regulation? If it is simply 'customary' then he can do as he pleases. One rather suspects it is, or there would have been more severe repercussions. I expect, like with many of these 'incidents' it was more a question of some 'good patriot' pointing out the error of his ways, than any serious problem the NBA had with his attitude.

Ironically... blind 'patriotism' is not akin to being sheeplike for some.

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As someone said, is it written in any NBA regulation? If it is simply 'customary' then he can do as he pleases. One rather suspects it is, or there would have been more severe repercussions. I expect, like with many of these 'incidents' it was more a question of some 'good patriot' pointing out the error of his ways, than any serious problem the NBA had with his attitude.

They had to have had some grounds for taking action, conduct policy code or something, they probably got him on a technicality and yes people were probably questioning his patriotism which might of pressured the NBA to do something, but I see it as disrespectful. He said the flag was the a sign of oppression but yet there he was making good money playing basketball under a flag he doesnt want to acknowledge.

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He got payment from his team. Maybe that was the flag he should have paid homage to?

As for the 'oppression'... well... put it into the proper context and you *might* at the least understand his reasons. Not that you have to accept them.

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Yeah, one has to question the rational of making something like basketball into a patriotic issue. I mean, is playing sport intrinsically patriotic? I rather think it is not any more than working in McDonalds is. What a lot of broo haa haa about nothing at all. Only in America

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He got payment from his team. Maybe that was the flag he should have paid homage to?

As for the 'oppression'... well... put it into the proper context and you *might* at the least understand his reasons. Not that you have to accept them.

He got payment from his team. Maybe that was the flag he should have paid homage to?

so your saying pay homage to the flag(his teams flag) that wanted him to pay homage to a flag(USA flag) he didnt want to pay homage too. By trying to prove your point you ended up biting your tail. The team itself stood for the flag a team he plays for, he has no ground for not standing.

sure he has his reasons and by now its obvious I dont accept them nor did the NBA and it flag waving fans as you might call them. "Proper context", hmmmm basketball arena, I dont think there was any oppression going on there.

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Yeah, one has to question the rational of making something like basketball into a patriotic issue. I mean, is playing sport intrinsically patriotic? I rather think it is not any more than working in McDonalds is. What a lot of broo haa haa about nothing at all. Only in America

That must have made the ancient Greeks a little weird if prancing around nekkid were considered patriotic too.

Or a little closer to our times... Soccer Hooligans beating the Jesus out of each other... for Queen and Country of course.

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He got payment from his team. Maybe that was the flag he should have paid homage to?

As for the 'oppression'... well... put it into the proper context and you *might* at the least understand his reasons. Not that you have to accept them.

He got payment from his team. Maybe that was the flag he should have paid homage to?

so your saying pay homage to the flag(his teams flag) that wanted him to pay homage to a flag(USA flag) he didnt want to pay homage too. By trying to prove your point you ended up biting your tail. The team itself stood for the flag a team he plays for, he has no ground for not standing.

sure he has his reasons and by now its obvious I dont accept them nor did the NBA and it flag waving fans as you might call them. "Proper context", hmmmm basketball arena, I dont think there was any oppression going on there.

Not really- as I don't have a tail.

Unless, of course, the player's contract stipulates, verbatim, that he had to do certain patriotic rites directly related to the very thing he refused to partake it.

And to that tune, you have not produced any evidence since last night you learned of it playing trivia.

As for putting things into context- perhaps you'd like to stick to the actual topic. Flag. Not Basketball. But changing the context into basketball, just to tickle your fancy:

It wasn't until 1950 that the NBA desegregated because, *tsk, tsk*... the league was generally closed to African Americans due to R-A-C-I-S-M.

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Are we saying that all basket ball teams are essentially first and foremost US teams, and secondarily regional teams? How every odd.

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Are we saying that all basket ball teams are essentially first and foremost US teams, and secondarily regional teams? How every odd.

Tell that to the ones that play in Canada.