As the Dow keeps dropping,

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

It's being realistic.

You don't think, however misguided or wrong you believe the Left may be, that their intentions are ever sincere?

Sincerity is not a vibe I get from politicians in general, although I'm sure there are exceptions.

[HAL 9000 96]

Ok. So it is. Now what?

Good! Now that we got past that, we can start throwing solutions at the wall and see what starts to stick. (Unconstrained estimate for you management types!)

Forgot the quotes. That was for the forum cynic extraordinaire.

I prefer throwing gummy things at walls.

Like I said... how many days?

My question exactly. How long do we wait?

THAT should be the question. Since the bill is law as of a very recent time frame... there is no point in whining, pouting, or being wacky anymore. I anticipate that if anything positive comes about because of it... it should be seen nationwide within the coming year or two. And for all I know as a 'cup is half-full type' that may well be a realistic prognosis for what is likely to occur. You can't undo the damage the economy has sustained overnight nor can you put a halt to all the sad stories we see out there. That- is being realistic.

Neither can you maintain good body weight instantly. It requires consistent attention, so I am headed to the gym to continue my routine.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

Because ideologues clench their fists around their failed ideas and aren't willing to try new or different ideas.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

Because ideologues clench their fists around their failed ideas and aren't willing to try new or different ideas.

There's nothing new about what Barry's doing, so, point well taken.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

Because ideologues clench their fists around their failed ideas and aren't willing to try new or different ideas.

There's nothing new about what Barry's doing, so, point well taken.

Do you think Obama is an ideologue?

[Jasman0717 9]

I think it's your fault.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think it's your fault.

No - I'm Spartacus!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

Because ideologues clench their fists around their failed ideas and aren't willing to try new or different ideas.

There's nothing new about what Barry's doing, so, point well taken.

Do you think Obama is an ideologue?

Re social issues, very much so. I don't think he has a clue about foreign affairs, financial and trade issues, but, instead, surrounds himself with ideologues in those areas.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Obama has said that as far as he is concerned, the market is merely a day to day barameter that he can ignore because his goal is to fix things for the long run.

Rahm Emmanual is famous for counseling Dimocrats that they should take advantage of any national crisis in order to advance their (socialist) agenda.

Don't expect any financial solutions soon. As long as the Dims believe they can benefit from the downturn and blame it on Bush to create more ** alliances, they will do so. They are way too beholden to those that brought them to the dance - labor, ethnic self-interest groups, pro-abortonists, radical enviromentalists, open border proponents and the like - to concern themselves with your kid's college fund, your job or your 401K.

That's pretty cynical.

less chance for disappointment that way.

While there's certainly a political element to each party's agenda - to believe that everything is just one big game of outdoing the other party for control of this country is pretty cynical and sad. I see it as a series of failed ideas vs. new idea or sometimes old ideas that have worked before. I don't either party wants to run this country into the ground.

If they don't want to run it into the ground, why don't they stop running it into the ground?

Because ideologues clench their fists around their failed ideas and aren't willing to try new or different ideas.

There's nothing new about what Barry's doing, so, point well taken.

Do you think Obama is an ideologue?

Re social issues, very much so. I don't think he has a clue about foreign affairs, financial and trade issues, but, instead, surrounds himself with ideologues in those areas.

How about Bush? Would you consider him an ideologue? Or Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? Ann Coulter?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The market drop is VW's fault.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The market drop is VW's fault.

Sure is. I took my millions out long ago Hasn't been the same place since.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

The market drop is VW's fault.

Sure is. I took my millions out long ago Hasn't been the same place since.

I knew it.

[Cherel & Bob 0]

How about Bush? Would you consider him an ideologue? Or Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? Ann Coulter?

Does not matter if Coulter, Hannity or Limbaugh are ideologues. They were never elected to lead this country.

Bush unfortunately wanted to knock off Saddam to avenge his father. That and advancing the the "white mans burden" trying to convert all those dirty muslims to Christianity.

It can be an ugly world we live in.

Bob

Edited March 4, 2009 by Cherel & Bob