Zarqawi Killed In Air Raid

[Ban Hammer 14,283]

USA didnt train them ...did we show them how to saw off people's head with a sword? And even if we did , which is stupid to say, do we force them to kidnap and kill? Ram planes into buildings? NO! they choose to.

When you train someone how to fire a Stinger missile, it's already assumed that they know how to saw off people's heads with a sword.

And when you train them how to use chemical/biological agents, it's already assumed that they're more than willing to ram a plane into a building.

As far as forcing them to do these things.... ah, that's the hard part. Most of the time they already want to do them before they're trained. (That's why they're selected for training. The hardest thing to actually train someone to do is to take human life. We're taught from a very young age that you just don't kill other people. Once someone shows the willingness to kill another human being, training them to do it efficiently is rather easy.)

Yes, I'm sure our troops once they are taught how to fire a missle they go onto Beheading 101.

You just missed the point of my story.... if you're willing to fire a missile.. you already know how to behead!

that's a major stretch of the imagination, slim

[Princess_Damnit 0]

Our troops that fired that missle on Zarqwi was willing cuz they were ordered to and to be ordered they had to sign up for the gig and become enlisted in the service. So, they learned and fired as orderd but how does that make them "know" how to behead? Thats a ridiculous statement.

Edited June 12, 2006 by Princess_Damnit

[incanada1234 0]

When you train someone how to fire a Stinger missile, it's already assumed that they know how to saw off people's heads with a sword.

Yes, I'm sure our troops once they are taught how to fire a missle they go onto Beheading 101.

Ha

[Ban Hammer 14,283]

USA didnt train them ...did we show them how to saw off people's head with a sword? And even if we did , which is stupid to say, do we force them to kidnap and kill? Ram planes into buildings? NO! they choose to.

When you train someone how to fire a Stinger missile, it's already assumed that they know how to saw off people's heads with a sword.

And when you train them how to use chemical/biological agents, it's already assumed that they're more than willing to ram a plane into a building.

As far as forcing them to do these things.... ah, that's the hard part. Most of the time they already want to do them before they're trained. (That's why they're selected for training. The hardest thing to actually train someone to do is to take human life. We're taught from a very young age that you just don't kill other people. Once someone shows the willingness to kill another human being, training them to do it efficiently is rather easy.)

i know how to fire a stinger missile. along with anti tank missiles. i'll pass on sawing someone's head off. maybe i missed that training course.

i know how to use chemical and biological agents. that does not mean i can fly a plane though. nor would i care to

some rather broad brush statements there, slim. given them, it sounds like anyone who's been in the military could be a terrorist. maybe it's time for war on veterans?

[slim 1,533]

Is there anyone here who does not know how to swing a sword and hit someone's neck with it?

Come on, I'm pretty sure that when you were a little kid you once or twice played swordfights with sticks.

The bottom line is that all humans are capable of killing. We are animals. The US Government has enhanced the killing ability of certain individuals when it was convenient, then later decided that training those individuals wasn't such a good idea after all. What gets me though, is instead of saying "whoops. Our bad." They say "it's because they're dirty Islamic fundamentalist terrorists." Or maybe even "tyrannical dictators." (Who cares if they were tryannical dictators when we flew them to Texas to train them.)

[Princess_Damnit 0]

Is there anyone here who does not know how to swing a sword and hit someone's neck with it?

Come on, I'm pretty sure that when you were a little kid you once or twice played swordfights with sticks.

Yea, I see kids everyday simulating beheading by grabbing their friend by the hair and sawing in a back- n -forth motion against their neck mimicking what Nick Berg had endured. Slim , man your messed up in the head.

[slim 1,533]

You've never heard kids say "I'll chop your head off?" While playing?

As far as actually pulling the hair back and sawing, that's more of an adult thing to do for added effect. If you want to argue about "killing a person this way is more right (or wrong.. or humane/inhumane) than killing them this way.... I'm all for it." Round 1 is up to you. Come out swinging!

[Ban Hammer 14,283]

Is there anyone here who does not know how to swing a sword and hit someone's neck with it?

Come on, I'm pretty sure that when you were a little kid you once or twice played swordfights with sticks.

The bottom line is that all humans are capable of killing. We are animals. The US Government has enhanced the killing ability of certain individuals when it was convenient, then later decided that training those individuals wasn't such a good idea after all. What gets me though, is instead of saying "whoops. Our bad." They say "it's because they're dirty Islamic fundamentalist terrorists." Or maybe even "tyrannical dictators." (Who cares if they were tryannical dictators when we flew them to Texas to train them.)

ergo, every kid also knows how to shoot and kill people from playing army, right? all potential terrorists. next up, the war on kids.

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As far as actually pulling the hair back and sawing, that's more of an adult thing to do for added effect.

Zarqwi was in his late 30s...so that makes him an adult. And he wasnt playing around either. Does Elena realize how F****d up you are man?

[slim 1,533]

charlesandnessa... please be careful! You've already suggested military vets and kids as potential terrorists. Before we know it... one of us might be a potential terrorist. I know you were just being sarcastic, but that's all it takes. One government official to label this particular group as "terrorist" or that particular group...

THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT!!!!

Do you not think we're all labeled as terrorist supporters by the other side for paying taxes to the US Government?

Thanks for the personal attacks princess. I love it when we in America disagree with people and then throw fightin words at them instead of listening to their perspective, even if we disagree, then making a counter point.

[Ban Hammer 14,283]

charlesandnessa... please be careful! You've already suggested military vets and kids as potential terrorists. Before we know it... one of us might be a potential terrorist. I know you were just being sarcastic, but that's all it takes. One government official to label this particular group as "terrorist" or that particular group...

THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY POINT!!!!

Do you not think we're all labeled as terrorist supporters by the other side for paying taxes to the US Government?

Thanks for the personal attacks princess. I love it when we in America disagree with people and then throw fightin words at them instead of listening to their perspective, even if we disagree, then making a counter point.

i was pointing out how ludicrous your statement was.

regarding being a supporter of terrorism by the other side, that's a given just be being american. regardless of one's political stance, etc. reality is not fun, eh? no matter what your position on anything, they hate you. have a nice day.

Edited June 12, 2006 by charlesandnessa

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When you train someone how to fire a Stinger missile, it's already assumed that they know how to saw off people's heads with a sword.

There is a huge difference between the impersonality of being able to fire a rocket into a group of people who'd faces you cannot see or screams you cannot hear. I believe this is actually one of the criticisms of today's military I heard before.

And when you train them how to use chemical/biological agents, it's already assumed that they're more than willing to ram a plane into a building.

These are again 2 completely different situations. If someone is using chemical agents then they have no problem seeing other people suffer. Before they are willing to ram a plane into a building they have to be ready to die themselves. Okay, sure. Many of these people are willing to die in the act, but to suggest that everyone who is willing to use chemical/biological agents against another human being is willing to die in order to complete the mission is a far stretch. I doubt many of Saddam's men who gassed to Kurds were willing to die to complete the mission.

[slim 1,533]

I know they hate us based on the fact that we're Americans. But that's what I hope seperates us from them. We don't (or at least shouldn't) hate them just because they're from a certain place or speak a certain way or have a certain religion. We should hate the actual "terrorists" that do cut people's heads off and intentionally target civilians. But, far too many Americans turn a blind eye when people from the Middle-East die because "they're terrorists."

I've gotta go to bed. Wish I could stay up and post for a while.

Before I go though, for princess, and the rest of you who were like "yeah, he is F'd up in the head... I wonder if Elena knows about that?" I'll tell you a quick story.

Back in 2000 we were talking about the Russian war in Chechnya. (Also a very interesting subject.) I was asking her what the Russian take on the situation was, how the people felt, what was really going on, etc. Her answer: "There is lot of gold in mountains in Chechnya.... Russian peoples don't want fighting with Chechnya peoples.... but Russian governement wants gold. That is real reason why there is war."

We should get along just fine in our political views.

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Thanks for the personal attacks princess. I love it when we in America disagree with people and then throw fightin words at them instead of listening to their perspective, even if we disagree, then making a counter point.

Im listening to you Slim and its fine to disagree but man you are off your rocker. Won't be long til she realizes it too.

I wonder if Elena knows ..." I'll tell you a quick story.

Back in 2000 we were talking about the Russian war in Chechnya. (Also a very interesting subject.) I was asking her what the Russian take on the situation was, how the people felt, what was really going on, etc. Her answer: "There is lot of gold in mountains in Chechnya.... Russian peoples don't want fighting with Chechnya peoples.... but Russian governement wants gold. That is real reason why there is war."

We should get along just fine in our political views.

#######? That is ridiculous and is no comparison to the war going on. Give her time once she learns English really well and understands what your saying it will be "buh bye".

[incanada1234 0]

regarding being a supporter of terrorism by the other side, that's a given just be being american. regardless of one's political stance, etc. reality is not fun, eh? no matter what your position on anything, they hate you. have a nice day.

That's the thing, eh? The lefties can't seem to get it through their heads that no matter what we do or how we act, TERRORISTS HATE US. Sure, it would be great if we could just sit down with the terrorists and talk to them nicely, tell them we love them. Except that, you know, they would still want to saw our heads off whatever the outcome.

Those rose-colored glasses must be cheap these days.

We don't (or at least shouldn't) hate them just because they're from a certain place or speak a certain way or have a certain religion. We should hate the actual "terrorists" that do cut people's heads off and intentionally target civilians.

LOL! What do you think we're saying here?! WE'RE the ones saying we hate terrorists who cut off peoples' heads and YOU'RE the one saying, "Well now, that's a bit harsh isn't it. Afterall, we trained them to do it."

Man, you have NO point.

Edited June 12, 2006 by approvemedammit