Israeli assault targets symbols of Hamas power

[Amby 490]

Again if the measure of worth you use to justify the value of your own life over mentally retarded people is purely material then how can you frame the argument about a dictator vs a famous composer in moral terms?

Not purely material. Mentally retarded people do not contribute anything to society -

they are a burden, essentially parasites.

My brother was severely mentally and physically handicapped and he never contributed anything to society but I'd choose him over a lazy bum drug dealer. He was definitely a financial burden his entire life.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Because... They don't contribute to society in a material way?

I'm not sure that that's really true, but if we assume it is - you're still basically saying the same thing...

[Tahoma 2,298]

Or they could declare two separate nations- Israel and Palestine. No strings attached; no illegal settlements in Palestinian lands.

Yeah, tried that already, wasn't enough for them.

No... a REAL independent nation.

The deal was on the table. Arafat said no.

By the way...maybe you could enlighten us about the "deal" that was "on the table" that you are asserting would have led to a REAL independent nation for Palestine. I remember no such thing. The deal offered by the Israelis would have had no effect on the Palestinian condition as Arafat saw it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Group hugs are not hygienic

hey go put your pink shirt on

b1tch. you are just a hater and jealous because I am fabulous

[Amby 490]

Group hugs are not hygienic

hey go put your pink shirt on

b1tch. you are just a hater and jealous because I am fabulous

It's true!

[mawilson 2,133]

Because... They don't contribute to society in a material way?

I'm not sure that that's really true, but if we assume it is - you're still basically saying the same thing...

In any meaningful way, not just material. Their lives are of no significance

to anyone outside of their families.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Group hugs are not hygienic

hey go put your pink shirt on

b1tch. you are just a hater and jealous because I am fabulous

It's true!

that you hate me ???

[mawilson 2,133]

Again if the measure of worth you use to justify the value of your own life over mentally retarded people is purely material then how can you frame the argument about a dictator vs a famous composer in moral terms?

Not purely material. Mentally retarded people do not contribute anything to society -

they are a burden, essentially parasites.

My brother was severely mentally and physically handicapped and he never contributed anything to society but I'd choose him over a lazy bum drug dealer. He was definitely a financial burden his entire life.

Hey, be nice to your sister!

[Amby 490]

Because... They don't contribute to society in a material way?

I'm not sure that that's really true, but if we assume it is - you're still basically saying the same thing...

In any meaningful way, not just material. Their lives are of no significance

to anyone outside of their families.

It's true

Again if the measure of worth you use to justify the value of your own life over mentally retarded people is purely material then how can you frame the argument about a dictator vs a famous composer in moral terms?

Not purely material. Mentally retarded people do not contribute anything to society -

they are a burden, essentially parasites.

My brother was severely mentally and physically handicapped and he never contributed anything to society but I'd choose him over a lazy bum drug dealer. He was definitely a financial burden his entire life.

Hey, be nice to your sister!

omg I have to pee now

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Again if the measure of worth you use to justify the value of your own life over mentally retarded people is purely material then how can you frame the argument about a dictator vs a famous composer in moral terms?

Not purely material. Mentally retarded people do not contribute anything to society -

they are a burden, essentially parasites.

My brother was severely mentally and physically handicapped and he never contributed anything to society but I'd choose him over a lazy bum drug dealer. He was definitely a financial burden his entire life.

Right. Because the emotional value you see in your brother is more important than the cold, hard cash view of how much it costs to keep him.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Amby, that is TMI!

[Amby 490]

Group hugs are not hygienic

hey go put your pink shirt on

b1tch. you are just a hater and jealous because I am fabulous

It's true!

that you hate me ???

I don't hate you

Again if the measure of worth you use to justify the value of your own life over mentally retarded people is purely material then how can you frame the argument about a dictator vs a famous composer in moral terms?

Not purely material. Mentally retarded people do not contribute anything to society -

they are a burden, essentially parasites.

My brother was severely mentally and physically handicapped and he never contributed anything to society but I'd choose him over a lazy bum drug dealer. He was definitely a financial burden his entire life.

Right. Because the emotional value you see in your brother is more important than the cold, hard cash view of how much it costs to keep him.

He died 11yrs ago

Amby, that is TMI!

Sorry I was laughing so hard I was lucky I didn't need to change clothes

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Because... They don't contribute to society in a material way?

I'm not sure that that's really true, but if we assume it is - you're still basically saying the same thing...

In any meaningful way, not just material. Their lives are of no significance

to anyone outside of their families.

Again I'm curious as to what you consider "meaningful". That said there are Downs kids who have gotten degrees and manage to get jobs.

What about autistic kids or savants who learn to cope with their conditions and help provide better insights into their conditions.

Daniel tammet springs to mind.

What about Steven hawking? He costs a lot of money to keep and relies on others to survive. He seems to contribute despite his physical limitations...

[HAL 9000 96]

So in synthesis... the real solution to the whole Israel-Palestine conflict is to send a VJ contingent and kill both sides with these interesting exchanges...

[Tahoma 2,298]

If it was between me and a doctor I'd say kill me because the doctor is more valuable to society and could save more lives than I could.

But you *are* going to be a doctor and you're young - therefore you will probably save

more lives in the future than a doctor who's already old.

What makes your life valuable are your future actions, not your past actions. What's done

is done, your death will not undo the good or bad things you've done. Past performance

is a good measure of future potential - nothing more.

You were arguing just the opposite in a previous post.