New York immigrant dead in apparent hate crime

[mRx 16]

What do you do to combat hate?

From the legal and punitive point of view that is.

The short answer is; Nothing. Hate is an abstract feeling held in the human mind. It's not a concrete action or crime which could be quantified with a legal punishment by law. And I can confidently guess that everyone feels hate for one thing or another at some point in their life. It's natural.

But, hate that leads to an unlawful action against person or property is indeed tangible and must be punished. But the tangible action is the only thing that should be punished, not the perceived bias or hate. Because as I've stated, if that happens, we have another injustice, that leads to an unequal amount of justice, and nobody will benefit it from it.

I don't think we need more laws in order to bring about a desirable change in society to make it more harmonious. I think such a change can be had with less laws.

Here's an example: The War on Drugs. Minorities are served federal mandatory sentences at a much higher rate that caucasians, and not because they do more drugs either. A genuine injustice. A common solution that our government would think up to remedy this would be to punish caucasians at a rate they deem equal to minorities. This would be another injustice on top of the original one. Why not just remove the law altogether?

Same thing happened during Prohibition. Alcohol was outlawed, bootleggers started popping up. Gangs and violence spiraled out of control. All of this over the newly banned alcohol. 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition, and look at today; there are no Budweiser smuggling cartels and violent gangs fighting in the streets over who has rights to sell alcohol on what street corner. My $.02

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You, as a white American, are not subject to having a cross burned in your front yard. Enough said.

Lets get real, Cross burnings are so rare... they get national attention when one happens.

Now on the other hand; there are hundreds (maybe more) communities or areas that white people would never venture into, especially at night because they know the color of their skin would make them a marked target.

And yet most of the people killed in those areas are blacks (or hispanics).

..... because most sane white folk (as well as pizza delivery) know better than to go there.

Ummm... Why would they go there? Its a self-segregated community, in much the same way that the suburbs are. Its also why many chain businesses (other than fast food) don't generally set up there. Just miles and miles of dilapidated residential districts. If you don't live there - you have no reason to visit those areas, let alone because you might fear for your safety.

Wow, I thought this view point was a thing of the past.

Even if people do choose to self segregate people should not be targeted for crime based on their skin color... if they are on public property.

Not long ago we had a couple who made the mistake of taking the wrong exit to ask directions.

I suppose signs along the interstate should be posted so others are not similar victims?

Oh give over - stop finding ridiculous outrage in statements that don't merit it

Pretty much wherever you live - you tend to know where the *bad* areas are and which you avoid. As I say the issue is not so much that whites routinely are targetted in those areas - but that those areas have social problems that are endemic in their own communities and which generally don't spill into the surrounding neighbourhoods. Hence in LA you have towns where people literally leave their doors unlocked at night - barely a few miles from cities that have some of the highest violent crime rates in the country. Same applies in Washington DC I believe...

That a person might find themselves subject to a car-jacking or a shooting if they take a wrong turn on Sunset strip (it happens, but its not that common) is tragic, but its a far cry to saying that whites are being routinely massacred in those areas. It just isn't the case.

[HAL 9000 96]

What do you do to combat hate?

From the legal and punitive point of view that is.

The short answer is; Nothing. Hate is an abstract feeling held in the human mind. It's not a concrete action or crime which could be quantified with a legal punishment by law. And I can confidently guess that everyone feels hate for one thing or another at some point in their life. It's natural.

But, hate that leads to an unlawful action against person or property is indeed tangible and must be punished. But the tangible action is the only thing that should be punished, not the perceived bias or hate. Because as I've stated, if that happens, we have another injustice, that leads to an unequal amount of justice, and nobody will benefit it from it.

I don't think we need more laws in order to bring about a desirable change in society to make it more harmonious. I think such a change can be had with less laws.

Here's an example: The War on Drugs. Minorities are served federal mandatory sentences at a much higher rate that caucasians, and not because they do more drugs either. A genuine injustice. A common solution that our government would think up to remedy this would be to punish caucasians at a rate they deem equal to minorities. This would be another injustice on top of the original one. Why not just remove the law altogether?

Same thing happened during Prohibition. Alcohol was outlawed, bootleggers started popping up. Gangs and violence spiraled out of control. All of this over the newly banned alcohol. 21st Amendment repealed Prohibition, and look at today; there are no Budweiser smuggling cartels and violent gangs fighting in the streets over who has rights to sell alcohol on what street corner. My $.02

Its just semantics brother.

Motive leads to commitment. Someday- yes- it will be absurd to write such laws into the books.

Regarding Prohibition/drugs... well... there you have products that are tangible, marketable, and profitable. Can't say that about hate in itself unless dealing with the indoctrination factor. Which readily is on the decline.

[panamania79 2]

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A 31-year-old Ecuadorian man who was beaten last Sunday in what New York City authorities say may have been a hate crime has died at a Queens hospital, his brother said Saturday.

Jose Sucuzhanay and his brother, Romel, had left a party on December 7 at St. Brigid's Roman Catholic Church when several men approached them in a car in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn, police said. The men allegedly began shouting anti-gay and anti-Latino vulgarities at the two men.

Jose Sucuzhanay suffered severe head trauma and was taken to Elmhurst Hospital. He died Friday night from his injuries.

Romel Sucuzhanay, 38, escaped with minor scrapes and has talked with detectives on the case.

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said she was "horrified to learn that anti-LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual) and anti-Latino slurs were used by one or more of the assailants, raising this event to the level of a hate crime." Video Watch how attack has outraged the Latino community »

Quinn said she was in touch with the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force. According to police, however, the attack has not been categorized as a hate crime.

"This is a wake-up call and shows how far we still must come to address the devastating problem of hate crimes in our communities," said Diego Sucuzhanay, Jose's brother, in a written statement. "Only by exposing these crimes and working together will we be able to make a difference."

No arrests have been made in the case. Police are offering a $22,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in the attack.

Sucuzhanay's mother arrived Saturday in New York from the family's home outside Quito, Ecuador, only to learn that he son had died, said family spokesman Francisco Moya.

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He said the victim had lived in the United States for more than a decade and was a legal resident, working as a real estate broker.

A news conference is expected to be held Sunday afternoon.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/13/hate.crime/index.html

[HAL 9000 96]

Pana!!! Where you been girl?

[panamania79 2]

Pana!!! Where you been girl?

In Panama,parrandiando !

[HAL 9000 96]

Pana!!! Where you been girl?

In Panama,parrandiando !

HAL 9000 wishes you a happy parranda season.

[panamania79 2]

Pana!!! Where you been girl?

In Panama,parrandiando !

HAL 9000 wishes you a happy parranda season.

It's over for now but I think I'm going back for carnavales.

[HAL 9000 96]

Pana!!! Where you been girl?

In Panama,parrandiando !

HAL 9000 wishes you a happy parranda season.

It's over for now but I think I'm going back for carnavales.

HAL 9000 wonders why no parrandas Navideñas from here til the 25th. Strange panamanians!!

[zqt3344 21]

These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

NEW YORK (CNN) -- A 31-year-old Ecuadorian man who was beaten last Sunday in what New York City authorities say may have been a hate crime has died at a Queens hospital, his brother said Saturday.

Jose Sucuzhanay and his brother, Romel, had left a party on December 7 at St. Brigid's Roman Catholic Church when several men approached them in a car in the Bushwick section of Brooklyn, police said. The men allegedly began shouting anti-gay and anti-Latino vulgarities at the two men.

Jose Sucuzhanay suffered severe head trauma and was taken to Elmhurst Hospital. He died Friday night from his injuries.

Romel Sucuzhanay, 38, escaped with minor scrapes and has talked with detectives on the case.

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn said she was "horrified to learn that anti-LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual) and anti-Latino slurs were used by one or more of the assailants, raising this event to the level of a hate crime." Video Watch how attack has outraged the Latino community »

Quinn said she was in touch with the NYPD's Hate Crimes Task Force. According to police, however, the attack has not been categorized as a hate crime.

"This is a wake-up call and shows how far we still must come to address the devastating problem of hate crimes in our communities," said Diego Sucuzhanay, Jose's brother, in a written statement. "Only by exposing these crimes and working together will we be able to make a difference."

No arrests have been made in the case. Police are offering a $22,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in the attack.

Sucuzhanay's mother arrived Saturday in New York from the family's home outside Quito, Ecuador, only to learn that he son had died, said family spokesman Francisco Moya.

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He said the victim had lived in the United States for more than a decade and was a legal resident, working as a real estate broker.

A news conference is expected to be held Sunday afternoon.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/12/13/hate.crime/index.html

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These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

So if all immigration laws were enforced, homophobia and racism would not exist?

Edited December 16, 2008 by A.J.

[HAL 9000 96]

These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

So if all immigration laws were enforced, homophobia and racism would not exist?

Insane trolls can still use the internet from overseas, sadly.

[Caladan 19]

These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

So if all immigration laws were enforced, homophobia and racism would not exist?

I'm personally trying to figure out how the fact that the victim was a legal resident means the laws needed to be enforced better.

[HAL 9000 96]

These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

So if all immigration laws were enforced, homophobia and racism would not exist?

I'm personally trying to figure out how the fact that the victim was a legal resident means the laws needed to be enforced better.

It just means that some internet trolls are illiterate.

[zqt3344 21]

So true Haliburton 9.12! Just look at you posting on here!

These things would stop if the US government would start doing a better job enforcing immigration laws.

So if all immigration laws were enforced, homophobia and racism would not exist?

I'm personally trying to figure out how the fact that the victim was a legal resident means the laws needed to be enforced better.

It just means that some internet trolls are illiterate.