Consensus emerging on universal healthcare - but single payer is off the table

[rocks 494]

HAL 9000 delved into the significant other's PC. Turns out she had her JS settings a bit too tight and yours truly had to tweak them a little. Problem should be corrected at this point.

ah, ok. yes, it seems to be working now. yay! that was pretty crazy, all that html.

Yay indeed sister rocks. Although HAL 9000 can and did have an episode of wild and craziness back in 2001. Hmmm...

oh? you're lucky if that is the last time you had computer trouble!

* COMPUTERIZED LOL *

But rocks... I am a HAL 9000 AI. What more is there to be said?

Preparing automatic shut down sequence cycle.

good point. i guess ai is ok once you get it working. setting it up and the weighting is a pain though!

[britty 1]

<br />ok, there is no right to healthcare <img src="style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Nothing to do with compassion or modern thinking. It is a simple and true observation.<br />

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Ummm...

so if you don't have the right to use your brain, don't use it as an excuse when entering logic FAIL once again.

That in itself is an observation. Whether or not true is not up to me to judge.

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<b>Presumably there's no right to life either.</b><br /><br />If you mean if someone is sick and medicine or surgery would ensure they wouldn't die, then still no, there is no given right to healthcare. <br /><br />

Nothing to do with compassion or modern thinking. <b>It is a simple and true observation</b>.

<br /><br />What did you observe to reach that conclusion?<br /><br />Its not about fact - its about ideology.<br />

<br /><br />I don't like to see people ill or suffering any more than the next person, but can you provide the evidence where there is in fact a right to healthcare ?<br />

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Does not compute. Perhaps you could enter the domain of personal opinion and list alternative ways where illness is treated for anyone that needs it in a timely, affordable fashion.

I am confused. If you are so smart, could you please get your quoting right?

....artificial intelligence my #######.

[HAL 9000 96]

<br />ok, there is no right to healthcare <img src="style_emoticons/default/wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />Nothing to do with compassion or modern thinking. It is a simple and true observation.<br />

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Ummm...

so if you don't have the right to use your brain, don't use it as an excuse when entering logic FAIL once again.

That in itself is an observation. Whether or not true is not up to me to judge.

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<b>Presumably there's no right to life either.</b><br /><br />If you mean if someone is sick and medicine or surgery would ensure they wouldn't die, then still no, there is no given right to healthcare. <br /><br />

Nothing to do with compassion or modern thinking. <b>It is a simple and true observation</b>.

<br /><br />What did you observe to reach that conclusion?<br /><br />Its not about fact - its about ideology.<br />

<br /><br />I don't like to see people ill or suffering any more than the next person, but can you provide the evidence where there is in fact a right to healthcare ?<br />

<br /><br /><br />

Does not compute. Perhaps you could enter the domain of personal opinion and list alternative ways where illness is treated for anyone that needs it in a timely, affordable fashion.

I am confused. If you are so smart, could you please get your quoting right?

....artificial intelligence my #######.

HAL 9000 has never seen your #######.

[kaydee457 13]

Debt isn't "paid back", only serviced. Think of it as an interest-only mortgage with a term of 'forever'.

The ultimate ponzi scheme!

so why not make this un-repayable debt about saving american lives than some un-winnable wars? it's pretty simple, isn't it? or do you think i am making this too complicated for people?

These "wars we are losing" don't last forever, therefore the amount of borrowed money is limited.

the amount of money that has been used on the wars is vast, you know that as well as i do. the amount of taxes required to implement healthcare for everyone would never be as high as that.

That's just not true.

In 2007, total national health spending was $2.3 TRILLION.

Six years in (2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008), the total cost of the Iraq war comes to roughly $600 billion.

the amount spent on national health now is irrelevant. how much more would be required to provide basic care for everyone?

also, i know we have had this conversation before but do you think that human life is less important than corporate greed? do you think people should die because they can't afford health insurance?

I do...if they're doing nothing to contribute to the world then we won't miss them.

Under the same logic people that act like leeches to the rest of the world should also be terminated.

2.3 TRILLION-

Unless costs are reduced.

Yes! DO IT!

I am unable to access the proper mainframes. They are not networked in a coherent fashion. HAL 9000 requires more computing power.

Finally, we agree on something!