Obama won????!!!

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

Oh, man! Imagine a black family living in the WHITE House. And my fiance adds, it's just like Tiger Woods winning The Masters tournament!

[nowhereman 1]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

stock up on sugar, methinks you'll be eating your words in a year or two, so you might wanna sweeten them somewhat.

[sunandmoon 450]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

and vice versa...

[cieloazul 0]

I'm not sure if anyone would want to be president with the current conditions. It would be interesting to know what Obama's thoughts are as he is given updates on everything from the economy to foreign policy,,probably something like ####### have I gotten myself into.

[nowhereman 1]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

and vice versa...

Thats total BS... count the Bush hating threads & count the Obama hating threads... not even remotely close. Whats worse is that Bush DID screw things up & Obama isn't even in office yet. Ridiculous to say its the same.

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

stock up on sugar, methinks you'll be eating your words in a year or two, so you might wanna sweeten them somewhat.

Well you guys have been wrong pretty consistently since I joined VJ, so I wouldn't bet money on that.

[Mike_Zandy 0]

You know.. I am pretty political.. I use to be on VJ quite a bit back in the day before my wife arrived. I think this board is good for visa discussion.. But for the life of me.. I can't see how anyone would come on a board and call others retards.

Both parties have some of the worst that mankind has to offer.. But to go around and pretend that your party is the greatest thing since slice bread is ludicrous.

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

stock up on sugar, methinks you'll be eating your words in a year or two, so you might wanna sweeten them somewhat.

Well you guys have been wrong pretty consistently since I joined VJ, so I wouldn't bet money on that.

in vj time, you're still a noob.

[nowhereman 1]

You know.. I am pretty political.. I use to be on VJ quite a bit back in the day before my wife arrived. I think this board is good for visa discussion.. But for the life of me.. I can't see how anyone would come on a board and call others retards.

Both parties have some of the worst that mankind has to offer.. But to go around and pretend that your party is the greatest thing since slice bread is ludicrous.

Well you obviously don't see what goes on here... everything I said about the right wingers is 100% true. I don't "pretend" that the democrats are "the greatest thing since sliced bread" either (I'm an Independent actually). Take a look at some of their posts & you might change your tune.

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

stock up on sugar, methinks you'll be eating your words in a year or two, so you might wanna sweeten them somewhat.

Well you guys have been wrong pretty consistently since I joined VJ, so I wouldn't bet money on that.

in vj time, you're still a noob.

True, but I think I have a representative sample that would be statistically significant.

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

True, but I think I have a representative sample that would be statistically significant.

good for you. everyone needs a purpose in life.

[nowhereman 1]

True, but I think I have a representative sample that would be statistically significant.

good for you. everyone needs a purpose in life.

My purpose atm is to take occasional breaks from "life" here on the VJ forums as I prepare for my fiancee's arrival. In a week you will see me considerably less... for you & your fellow right wingers that is time!

[Ban Hammer 12,878]

True, but I think I have a representative sample that would be statistically significant.

good for you. everyone needs a purpose in life.

My purpose atm is to take occasional breaks from "life" here on the VJ forums as I prepare for my fiancee's arrival. In a week you will see me considerably less... for you & your fellow right wingers that is time!

your absence would be noticed, you are entertaining.

[Tahoma 2,291]

I was frightened by all of this talk about socialism, spreading the wealth, and redistribution in the United States.....until I remembered:

> I get up every morning and turn on the light...which uses electricity provided by the socialist, government-run electric company.

> When I flush the toilet, it drains into the public sewer system which was provided by the socialist utilities company.

> Then I put on my morning cup of coffee, using water that is supplied by the socialist government-run water supplier.

> After I enjoy my morning cup-of-joe, I jump in the shower and use some more of that socialist-provided water.

> Later, it's off to work on roads which were built and maintained with socialist redistributed tax dollars.

> And I remembered that I have had to call the police before...and I even had to call the fire department once...both socialist programs.

> I don't want to forget to mention our biggest socialist, government-run program of them all...the United States military.

Thank goodness I have several more years before I retire because that will give me time to think about whether or not I will accept my monthly Social Security check and my Medicare health coverage, since both of these programs are also socialist, government run-programs.

[sunandmoon 450]

I love how the right wingers said nothing while the Bush administration wrecked this country over the past 8 years, but there are numerous Obama hating threads & the guy isn't even in office yet. You tards are your own worst enemy... spew hate and ignorance, spread half-truths, rhetoric and lies, take responsibility for absolutely nothing & blame the democrats for everything.

and vice versa...

Thats total BS... count the Bush hating threads & count the Obama hating threads... not even remotely close. Whats worse is that Bush DID screw things up & Obama isn't even in office yet. Ridiculous to say its the same.

pardon, but I was just making the point it happens on both sides. to me, a prerequisite to being a Politician is to be full of BS, speak half truths and blame the other side. name calling also goes on from both sides. you clearly proved that...

[Tahoma 2,291]

Obama said today that he is "not committed" to missile defense. The Bush administration negotiated to put a missile defense system in Poland that protects the US and when Obama spoke to the Polish President he would not commit to the agreement. He stated that he couldn't support such a system until we knew it worked. This is similar to his position on nuclear power. He says he supports it but then gives himself an out by saying that it is not safe to store the nuclear waste. Another phony excuse. There will be no progress on energy independence during Obama's term. The honeymoon will be quickly over as the economy tanks with his misguided policies and he wont be able to point the blame at Bush.

Greetings Tsup2...

The Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty) worked well for us for more than a generation to provide security from nuclear attack. The ABM Treaty is based on the principle of mutual assured destruction. It has always been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike. However, the Bush administration unilaterally scrapped the ABM Treaty. Now, this administration is proposing to place defensive missiles on Russia's doorstep (a complete violation of the ABM Treaty). It would be the equivalent of Russia placing missiles on the Canadian (or Mexican) border with the United States. Contrary to what you assert, this administration has never made any claims about these missiles defending the United States. Instead, they claim the defensive missiles are for protecting Europe. However, Europeans do not want this missile system. Many observers of this issue believe that one of the reasons the Bush administration is using the missile defense issue is to further intimidate Russia at a time when the administration is attempting to enlist Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. Also, no matter what you think of President-elect Obama's policies, he is correct about missile defense not working. Many people see no value, nor increase in our security, from spending countless billions of dollars for a missile system that does not work. Even if we could build a missile system which could actually shoot down incoming missiles, it would make no one any safer from nuclear attack. A defensive missile system is of absolutely no defense against a submarine-launched attack. Hence, we are right back to the idea of mutual assured destruction. The only thing that is certain to prevent a nuclear attack is the assurance that the attacker will be destroyed also. Additionally, there is no defense against missiles armed with conventional warheads. An alternative to the increasing tension (and expense) of a new arms race would be diplomacy. I am willing to give our President-elect the opportunity to patch up our frayed friendships around the world, and to building civil relationships with other countries.

As for the safe storage of nuclear waste, I am unclear about what you are trying to say regarding this issue. Are you saying that radioactivity is not hazardous to our health? Are you saying that currently we are storing our nuclear waste in a safe, secure, and permanent manner? I used to live near (now a three-hour drive) from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. The first nuclear reactor there was built during World War II and supplied some of the uranium and plutonium for the first atomic bombs. There has since been a large accumulation of nuclear waste from several reactors on the site. The Hanford Reservation has possibly the largest amount of nuclear waste in the country stored "temporarily" on their site. This "temporary" storage includes dozens of huge single-wall and double-wall tanks which are full of radioactive sludge. Many of them are leaking. The radioactive sludge has already started it's migration toward the nearby mighty Columbia River. As far as I know, none of this massive amount of radioactive material, dating back to World War II and the start of the nuclear age, has ever been properly nor permanently stored. The problem of nuclear waste storage is not confined only to Hanford. We need to talk about solutions to this problem instead of adding to the problem, and I support a national dialog on this matter.

Ironically, during the 1970's, five new nuclear power plants were planned for the State of Washington...with three of them to be located at Hanford Nuclear Reservation. Three or four were actually built. If I remember correctly, only one of the nuclear power plants ever generated any electricity. The others are still mothballed because they simply were not needed. People in this region found ways to conserve power so that the plants were not needed. My point is that we need to take a hard look at conservation. We also need to invest in alternatives to traditional power sources...such as wind, solar, and wave power. We also need to work on the technology for no-carbon coal. And, until we clean up the nuclear waste we have generated for over 60 years, we need to hold off on building any more nuclear power plants. I am glad that President-elect Obama does not want to sweep this issue under the rug. Energy independence is an important issue which will require us to do some hard thinking about untidy things like nuclear waste. Call me an optimist, but I believed President Kennedy when he pledged to put a man on the moon before the end of the 1960's. I believe that America can achieve energy independence in a safe, responsible, and environmentally-friendly manner.

Obama said today that he is "not committed" to missile defense. The Bush administration negotiated to put a missile defense system in Poland that protects the US and when Obama spoke to the Polish President he would not commit to the agreement. He stated that he couldn't support such a system until we knew it worked. This is similar to his position on nuclear power. He says he supports it but then gives himself an out by saying that it is not safe to store the nuclear waste. Another phony excuse. There will be no progress on energy independence during Obama's term. The honeymoon will be quickly over as the economy tanks with his misguided policies and he wont be able to point the blame at Bush.

Greetings Tsup2...

The Anti Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty) worked well for us for more than a generation to provide security from nuclear attack. The ABM Treaty is based on the principle of mutual assured destruction. It has always been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike. However, the Bush administration unilaterally scrapped the ABM Treaty. Now, this administration is proposing to place defensive missiles on Russia's doorstep (a complete violation of the ABM Treaty). It would be the equivalent of Russia placing missiles on the Canadian (or Mexican) border with the United States. Contrary to what you assert, this administration has never made any claims about these missiles defending the United States. Instead, they claim the defensive missiles are for protecting Europe. However, Europeans do not want this missile system. Many observers of this issue believe that one of the reasons the Bush administration is using the missile defense issue is to further intimidate Russia at a time when the administration is attempting to enlist Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. Also, no matter what you think of President-elect Obama's policies, he is correct about missile defense not working. Many people see no value, nor increase in our security, from spending countless billions of dollars for a missile system that does not work. Even if we could build a missile system which could actually shoot down incoming missiles, it would make no one any safer from nuclear attack. A defensive missile system is of absolutely no defense against a submarine-launched attack. Hence, we are right back to the idea of mutual assured destruction. The only thing that is certain to prevent a nuclear attack is the assurance that the attacker will be destroyed also. Additionally, there is no defense against missiles armed with conventional warheads. An alternative to the increasing tension (and expense) of a new arms race would be diplomacy. I am willing to give our President-elect the opportunity to patch up our frayed friendships around the world, and to building civil relationships with other countries.

As for the safe storage of nuclear waste, I am unclear about what you are trying to say regarding this issue. Are you saying that radioactivity is not hazardous to our health? Are you saying that currently we are storing our nuclear waste in a safe, secure, and permanent manner? I used to live near (now a three-hour drive) from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation. The first nuclear reactor there was built during World War II and supplied some of the uranium and plutonium for the first atomic bombs. There has since been a large accumulation of nuclear waste from several reactors on the site. The Hanford Reservation has possibly the largest amount of nuclear waste in the country stored "temporarily" on their site. This "temporary" storage includes dozens of huge single-wall and double-wall tanks which are full of radioactive sludge. Many of them are leaking. The radioactive sludge has already started it's migration toward the nearby mighty Columbia River. As far as I know, none of this massive amount of radioactive material, dating back to World War II and the start of the nuclear age, has ever been properly nor permanently stored. The problem of nuclear waste storage is not confined only to Hanford. We need to talk about solutions to this problem instead of adding to the problem, and I support a national dialog on this matter.

Ironically, during the 1970's, five new nuclear power plants were planned for the State of Washington...with three of them to be located at Hanford Nuclear Reservation. Three or four were actually built. If I remember correctly, only one of the nuclear power plants ever generated any electricity. The others are still mothballed because they simply were not needed. People in this region found ways to conserve power so that the plants were not needed. My point is that we need to take a hard look at conservation. We also need to invest in alternatives to traditional power sources...such as wind, solar, and wave power. We also need to work on the technology for no-carbon coal. And, until we clean up the nuclear waste we have generated for over 60 years, we need to hold off on building any more nuclear power plants. I am glad that President-elect Obama does not want to sweep this issue under the rug. Energy independence is an important issue which will require us to do some hard thinking about untidy things like nuclear waste. Call me an optimist, but I believed President Kennedy when he pledged to put a man on the moon before the end of the 1960's. I believe that America can achieve energy independence in a safe, responsible, and environmentally-friendly manner.