Obama's stuttering in debate...Why

[luckytxn 2,265]

The reason why Sarah Palin is such a thorn in the side to liberals is that she is not THEIR idea of feminist and her life doesn't reflect THEIR idea of what a liberated women would be. They are not open to a variety of thought regarding the parameters of women's rights, including the right not to be a liberal feminist

No, it's because she's an idiot.

Obama is a bigger idiot, but to keep this discussion from derailing into ad hominums, we should fstick to more subtl ways to state the obvious.

If you're having drinks during this debate, you sure as ** better invite me.

I would give my left nut for a beer.

[villaspurs 65]

Please cite where the facts are that undecideds are going to Obama? The one thing I remember reading about undecideds was a couple weeks ago and that they were pretty much split. Also many were saying they were going to one of the independant parties.

My undecideds comment was specifically in relation to the debate:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/po...ry4482028.shtml

There was another poll talking specifically about Obama as Commander-in-Chief, but it will require more searching--I'll keep looking around for it.

Edited September 28, 2008 by villaspurs

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The reason why Sarah Palin is such a thorn in the side to liberals is that she is not THEIR idea of feminist and her life doesn't reflect THEIR idea of what a liberated women would be. They are not open to a variety of thought regarding the parameters of women's rights, including the right not to be a liberal feminist

No, it's because she's an idiot.

Obama is a bigger idiot, but to keep this discussion from derailing into ad hominums, we should fstick to more subtl ways to state the obvious.

If you're having drinks during this debate, you sure as ** better invite me.

Who? Me? Damn good idea! Drinking, that is. I'd have to be drunk to understand what some people see in Obama.

Make no mistake about it:

Senator Barack Obama is the ONLY qualified candidate to occupy The Office of Presidency (aka the White House). He has and continues to demonstrate his capabilities. His wealth of knoweledge surpasses his rival Senator John McCain who compliments old schoold tactics and failed policies. Senator Barack Obama reminds the American nation day by day that he's willing to accept this leadership position ONLY if the citizens of America wll allow him - hence voting DEMOCRATIC. I am stongly advising every mis-informed McCain grassroot supporters to do their homework. !!

"Knoweledge is Power" -- figure it out !!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That post earned extra laughs!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Make no mistake about it:

Senator Barack Obama is the ONLY qualified candidate to occupy The Office of Presidency (aka the White House). He has and continues to demonstrate his capabilities. His wealth of knoweledge surpasses his rival Senator John McCain who compliments old schoold tactics and failed policies. Senator Barack Obama reminds the American nation day by day that he's willing to accept this leadership position ONLY if the citizens of America wll allow him - hence voting DEMOCRATIC. I am stongly advising every mis-informed McCain grassroot supporters to do their homework. !!

"Knoweledge is Power" -- figure it out !!!!!

Ok. Put the booze down and step away. I want it.

Obama really showed his intellect last night by McCain huh? McCain showed he more grasp of knowledge than Obama will probably need decades to learn.

[IAMX 3,055]

Make no mistake about it:

Senator Barack Obama is the ONLY qualified candidate to occupy The Office of Presidency (aka the White House). He has and continues to demonstrate his capabilities. His wealth of knoweledge surpasses his rival Senator John McCain who compliments old schoold tactics and failed policies. Senator Barack Obama reminds the American nation day by day that he's willing to accept this leadership position ONLY if the citizens of America wll allow him - hence voting DEMOCRATIC. I am stongly advising every mis-informed McCain grassroot supporters to do their homework. !!

"Knoweledge is Power" -- figure it out !!!!!

Ok, while McCain is clearly a moron and would follow the Bush doctrine, what exactly makes Obama qualified?

What success or achievements put him over, say, Al Gore? Or Dennis Kucinich? Or John Conyers? Or Barbara Boxer? Or Lincoln Chafee? Or Jim Jeffords?

The only thing I see that puts Obama ahead of everyone else? Corporate interests. Who bought Obama's DNC? AT&T. Why did Obama push for amnesty to silence the lawsuit that was the only path of showing the legality, or lack thereof, of the AT&T-NSA perpetual surveillance of American phone calls without warrants or oversight? That's likely because Obama's interests are not with and amongst the people, first and foremost. They're with corporations, first and foremost.

If people really had any vested interest in voting for the best, they'd expand their horizons a little.

[luckytxn 2,265]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

I like neither candidate. I think they both are bad for this country.

[villaspurs 65]

The ability to defend Obama is waning, so the daggers are coming out. First, "what does his life before the Senate matter?", then "what about Palin?", then "Palin is an idiot", now it's "everyone against Obama is stupid".

Typical. Yea, libs, you're not fooling anybody.

These "faults" are really stupid because people don't have many policies to attack Obama on. All I keep hearing about is pastor, pin lapel, stuttering in debate, ambiguous interpretations of "experience", and, of course, associations with someone who committed heinous acts well before he was even associated with Obama (an obvious way of suggesting Obama loves extremism without any substance).

His adult life prior to becoming a US Senator IS his record, and it ain't pretty. He doesn't even talk about it much because there's not much to talk about UNLESS you talk about his racial issues, lack of selectivity of friends and acquaintances and his comfort level among the leftist fringe. Otherwise, he is a man campaigning on promises he cannot keep, and an empty vessel embracing whatever dream liberals want him to reflect. Obama is not who he is, he is only what you want him to be.

Please direct me to any substantive point you've made about McCain or Palin. Seriously. YOU are the one attacking people. If you want to have a substantive debate, fine--let's do it. Thus far all you've done is make accusations. Oh--and you've called people names. I forgot about that one.

Edited September 28, 2008 by villaspurs

[spookyturtle 9,466]

SRVT said:

Ok, while McCain is clearly a moron and would follow the Bush doctrine, what exactly makes Obama qualified?

What success or achievements put him over, say, Al Gore? Or Dennis Kucinich? Or John Conyers? Or Barbara Boxer? Or Lincoln Chafee? Or Jim Jeffords?

The only thing I see that puts Obama ahead of everyone else? Corporate interests. Who bought Obama's DNC? AT&T. Why did Obama push for amnesty to silence the lawsuit that was the only path of showing the legality, or lack thereof, of the AT&T-NSA perpetual surveillance of American phone calls without warrants or oversight? That's likely because Obama's interests are not with and amongst the people, first and foremost. They're with corporations, first and foremost.

If people really had any vested interest in voting for the best, they'd expand their horizons a little.

Ok, since everyone in the country is stupid or a moron except you, please reveal your true identity. We need to know the superior mind.

Edited September 28, 2008 by spookyturtle

[spookyturtle 9,466]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

I like neither candidate. I think they both are bad for this country.

I meant who would you like to have seen on the ballot instead of these two?

[luckytxn 2,265]

Please cite where the facts are that undecideds are going to Obama? The one thing I remember reading about undecideds was a couple weeks ago and that they were pretty much split. Also many were saying they were going to one of the independant parties.

My undecideds comment was specifically in relation to the debate:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/26/po...ry4482028.shtml

There was another poll talking specifically about Obama as Commander-in-Chief, but it will require more searching--I'll keep looking around for it.

Ok. This is not proving your argument at all. Please say you can do better.

CBS is hardly a non partisan participant. And also 500 undecideds are miniscule compared to the millions that say they are undecideds.

[luckytxn 2,265]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

I like neither candidate. I think they both are bad for this country.

I meant who would you like to have seen on the ballot instead of these two?

Ok Spooky I will tell you. You are my friend right? I am more of a Ron Paul voter. I lean very heavily to the Libertarian party. I know Ron Paul had no chance at all and would be frozen out but that is where my politics lie.

[PlatyPius 5]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

I like neither candidate. I think they both are bad for this country.

I meant who would you like to have seen on the ballot instead of these two?

Ok Spooky I will tell you. You are my friend right? I am more of a Ron Paul voter. I lean very heavily to the Libertarian party. I know Ron Paul had no chance at all and would be frozen out but that is where my politics lie.

Libertarian here as well.

Although I keep getting labelled as a "Librul Demoncrat" for some reason....

[luckytxn 2,265]

[Personally to me both these candidates stink to H*ll. The one I wanted had no chance in H*ll. I have no idea why I even participate in politics because I am alwasy stabbed in the back after the elections is over. I guess it is because since a wee lad I have been in this #######.

Out of curiousity, who did you like from both partys? No bashing, just interested in hearing.

I like neither candidate. I think they both are bad for this country.

I meant who would you like to have seen on the ballot instead of these two?

Ok Spooky I will tell you. You are my friend right? I am more of a Ron Paul voter. I lean very heavily to the Libertarian party. I know Ron Paul had no chance at all and would be frozen out but that is where my politics lie.

Libertarian here as well.

Although I keep getting labelled as a "Librul Demoncrat" for some reason....

LOL. That is funny indeed. Lib Dem is about as far apart as possible. Don't feel bad I have been labeled worse.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Ok Spooky I will tell you. You are my friend right? I am more of a Ron Paul voter. I lean very heavily to the Libertarian party. I know Ron Paul had no chance at all and would be frozen out but that is where my politics lie.

No bashing, I was just curious. On the Democrat side, I wasn't moved by Hillary or Obama. I wish Colin Powell would have run. I think he would have been a strong contender.