What Is the Topic?

[rebeccajo 14]

Marilyn -

I've had extensive conversations with Ewok about this issue. While I don't want to speak for him, I think I can safely paraprase something he said to me. He told me that one of the main reasons the Regionals were created was to keep the fighting down. It is his opinion that giving people a safe haven to go too keeps trouble down. What is the conception of why the trouble often starts? What I took from our conversation was that it's intolerance and racism.

I personally think that handling bigotry, hate and racism by segregating people is a lame way to handle the situation in a virtual setting. The solution is as easy as having effective empowered moderation who can and will put the hammer down on racial profiling, stereotypical hatemongering, bigotry, racism, and hate talk. This usually means banning certain members.

I would rather see a handfull of $hitstirrers banned than 35000 other people kept separated because a few of them can't keep their mouths shut.

But 35000 people are not separated. They have a choice. They can communicate in a Regional forum ( sometimes in their 1st language), or the "upper forums" or Off Topic. They can click where they want to click now. If we remove the Regional forums, it's like taking a choice away from those that use them.

It's not like there aren't probably about at least 1000 other websites where the PI members couldn't go to speak Tagalog.

[tmma 467]

Marilyn -

I've had extensive conversations with Ewok about this issue. While I don't want to speak for him, I think I can safely paraprase something he said to me. He told me that one of the main reasons the Regionals were created was to keep the fighting down. It is his opinion that giving people a safe haven to go too keeps trouble down. What is the conception of why the trouble often starts? What I took from our conversation was that it's intolerance and racism.

I personally think that handling bigotry, hate and racism by segregating people is a lame way to handle the situation in a virtual setting. The solution is as easy as having effective empowered moderation who can and will put the hammer down on racial profiling, stereotypical hatemongering, bigotry, racism, and hate talk. This usually means banning certain members.

I would rather see a handfull of $hitstirrers banned than 35000 other people kept separated because a few of them can't keep their mouths shut.

But 35000 people are not separated. They have a choice. They can communicate in a Regional forum ( sometimes in their 1st language), or the "upper forums" or Off Topic. They can click where they want to click now. If we remove the Regional forums, it's like taking a choice away from those that use them.

It's not like there aren't probably about at least 1000 other websites where the PI members couldn't go to speak Tagalog.

Maybe there are, but isn't the goal of VJ to retain membership and traffic? They like it there in their Regional forum....Why force them to go to another website? Seems counterproductive.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

[rebeccajo 14]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

[tmma 467]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Well, of course it is. There isn't anything wrong with that.

The site was created, it's helped alot of people--Someone put a lot of time and effort into creating it--so what if money is made off of it ( after all it's not the 1st immigration website to make money-or be into advertising...and IMO there is another website that's even MORE heavily into advertising than VJ)...is that wrong too? If THAT website has regional forums has anyone said they need to remove it's regional forums?

Back On Topic....

Still begs the question, why remove something that some of the members enjoy?

Edited September 26, 2008 by tmma

[Jenn! 918]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Of course! Please refer to my post #22.

[Otto 83]

It's not like there aren't probably about at least 1000 other websites where the PI members couldn't go to speak Tagalog.

Or Russian, German, Spanis, etc..etc..

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Well, of course it is. There isn't anything wrong with that.

Did I say there is?

Money is good #######.

[rebeccajo 14]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Well, of course it is. There isn't anything wrong with that.

The site was created, it's helped alot of people--Someone put a lot of time and effort into creating it--so what if money is made off of it ( after all it's not the 1st immigration website to make money-or be into advertising...and IMO there is another website that's even MORE heavily into advertising than VJ)...is that wrong too? If THAT website has regional forums has anyone said they need to remove it's regional forums?

Back On Topic....

Still begs the question, why remove something that some of the members enjoy?

Like I said before M, I've clearly stated my reasons in this thread.

If you're bored today and looking for someone to argue with, I'd suggest you take it to your usual source of entertainment - the Regional Forums.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

... why remove something that some of the members enjoy?

There is no good reason to. The purpose of VJ is to make someone money, not to disseminate immigration information. When people have fun, they stick around. Ka-ching! Win-win for everyone.

I mean, seriously, if you wanted to learn about immigration, you'd go to USCIS.GOV (and if you're too retarded to read that site you'd hire a lawyer).

[tmma 467]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Well, of course it is. There isn't anything wrong with that.

Did I say there is?

Money is good #######.

No you didn't...I was responding to the winkie smiley....Came across to me that it was meaning something like it was some big, nasty secret that VJ paid for itself somehow.

And I agree w/you.

Money is GOOD! Making money, spending money, saving money......I don't care what anyone thinks about this-but we live in a capitalist society, making money IS a good thing! I like it anyway. ( I'll probably get called shallow now), but I don't care...I reap the rewards of 9 years at college, military service, self investment and decent fiscal planning on mine and Mark's immigration. So if Ewok is reaping a penny or two out of the traffic on VJ-more power to him is what I say.

[rebeccajo 14]

... why remove something that some of the members enjoy?

There is no good reason to. The purpose of VJ is to make someone money, not to disseminate immigration information. When people have fun, they stick around. Ka-ching! Win-win for everyone.

I mean, seriously, if you wanted to learn about immigration, you'd go to USCIS.GOV (and if you're too retarded to read that site you'd hire a lawyer).

Lawyers! Oh noes!! You should never hire a lawyer!! They are all thieves!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Money is GOOD! Making money, spending money, saving money......I don't care what anyone thinks about this-but we live in a capitalist society, making money IS a good thing! I like it anyway. ( I'll probably get called shallow now), but I don't care...

I agree. I fvckin love money.

[tmma 467]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Well, of course it is. There isn't anything wrong with that.

The site was created, it's helped alot of people--Someone put a lot of time and effort into creating it--so what if money is made off of it ( after all it's not the 1st immigration website to make money-or be into advertising...and IMO there is another website that's even MORE heavily into advertising than VJ)...is that wrong too? If THAT website has regional forums has anyone said they need to remove it's regional forums?

Back On Topic....

Still begs the question, why remove something that some of the members enjoy?

Like I said before M, I've clearly stated my reasons in this thread.

If you're bored today and looking for someone to argue with, I'd suggest you take it to your usual source of entertainment - the Regional Forums.

You have stated reasons, and I am responding to them, that's all.

I told you I was not being argumentative, clearly I didn't realize that your comments cannot be quoted or you cannot be asked to expound upon them without you accusing of me "looking for an arguement". I am not.

Personally I don't hang out in the Regional forums, or try and get "entertainment" from fighting online (well, not on VJ anyway).

Money is GOOD! Making money, spending money, saving money......I don't care what anyone thinks about this-but we live in a capitalist society, making money IS a good thing! I like it anyway. ( I'll probably get called shallow now), but I don't care...

I agree. I fvckin love money.

ME TOO!!!

[rebeccajo 14]

Agreed, the bottom line at VJ is to keep ad revenue pouring in. Anything that reduces membership is a no-go.

Of course! Please refer to my post #22.

Boy.

Was I stupid.