Radical Ties and Hate Speech in the Immigration Debate

[pedroh 21]

Prove it is an attempt to deter enforcement of the law. I believe I have read pedroh here state quite frankly that illegals need to leave and obey the law- at the least get with the program and legalize under the provisions of the law. Maybe I'm wrong.

I also believe I read pedroh state quite clearly that it isn't about enforcement, rather about abuse.

Bullshit! Just like LaRaza has demanded that all workplace enforcement actions cease until "comprehensive immigration reform" (AKA: blanket amnesty and permanent residency for illegal aliens) is passed. That is what this whole enchelada boils down to. You know it, he knows it, and most people with a lick of sense know it.

Nobody, least of all me, advocates abusing detainees or violating the law to arrest them. But arrests, detentions, and deportations should not be stopped to appease the ethnic groups that seem to believe they don't have to adhere to our long established immigration and work authorization laws.

Waiting to enforce the law until the current crop of violators gets amnesty #8 is total bullshit. It didn't work the other 7 times...why go there again and again? I think you and Pedroh know why. Because 80+% of illegal aliens are from Mexico and Latin America and...

they want the raids to stop because some of them are not being enforced in a legal and fair way for the illegals.. not for sh!ts and giggles..

again, I think one case of abuse should be enough to question the effectiveness of ICE.. not even one case of abuse should be tolerated

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Well, I'd set the bar higher than just "one case of abuse". In any system as large and as bureaucratic, some abuse is to be expected. After all, it's run by people, not angels.

It's when the abuse becomes systemic, leading to the natural suspicion that the abuse may be condoned and encouraged from the higher ups, that I'd say there's serious cause for concern.

[HAL 9000 96]

Prove it is an attempt to deter enforcement of the law. I believe I have read pedroh here state quite frankly that illegals need to leave and obey the law- at the least get with the program and legalize under the provisions of the law. Maybe I'm wrong.

I also believe I read pedroh state quite clearly that it isn't about enforcement, rather about abuse.

Bullshit! Just like LaRaza has demanded that all workplace enforcement actions cease until "comprehensive immigration reform" (AKA: blanket amnesty and permanent residency for illegal aliens) is passed. That is what this whole enchelada boils down to. You know it, he knows it, and most people with a lick of sense know it.

Nobody, least of all me, advocates abusing detainees or violating the law to arrest them. But arrests, detentions, and deportations should not be stopped to appease the ethnic groups that seem to believe they don't have to adhere to our long established immigration and work authorization laws.

Waiting to enforce the law until the current crop of violators gets amnesty #8 is total bullshit. It didn't work the other 7 times...why go there again and again? I think you and Pedroh know why. Because 80+% of illegal aliens are from Mexico and Latin America and...

I am not a member of La Raza and probably neither are you. So claiming to know what their intentions are is rather obtuse. Last I checked they have a mission whose main focus is advancement adn civil/human rights. Check it out for yourself.

In the meantime we go back to the argument at hand. Prove we are advocating complete amnesty. As you cannot, I think we all know who is really writing BS here.

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

they want the raids to stop because some of them are not being enforced in a legal and fair way for the illegals.. not for sh!ts and giggles..

again, I think one case of abuse should be enough to question the effectiveness of ICE.. not even one case of abuse should be tolerated

should we question the effectiveness of the police due to the rodney king incident?

or question the effectiveness of the military due to abu ghraib?

i disagree with stopping raids because some are not performed correctly. tighten up the standards, sure. but to stop the raids would emasculate ice and render an effective tool for the apprehension and deportation of illegals impotent.

Edited August 14, 2008 by charles!

[HAL 9000 96]

they want the raids to stop because some of them are not being enforced in a legal and fair way for the illegals.. not for sh!ts and giggles..

again, I think one case of abuse should be enough to question the effectiveness of ICE.. not even one case of abuse should be tolerated

should we question the effectiveness of the police due to the rodney king incident?

or question the effectiveness of the military due to abu ghraib?

i disagree with stopping raids because some are not performed correctly. tighten up the standards, sure. but to stop the raids would emasculate ice and render an effective tool for the apprehension and deportation of illegals impotent.

I think we all think ICE should not be deterred in conducting its work function as long as they understand there are rules to be followed.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think the mods should put a curb on just how many 'illegal mexican' threads and the associated bullshite that comes with it there can be on OT at any one time. This is an organised attempt to create a climate of at the very least distrust against one ethnic group and I am surprised that it's tollerated.

[pedroh 21]

oh it's been going for as long as I've been here.. not news brother

[HAL 9000 96]

TO be honest they can try to create this climate as much as they want. They have a perfect right to be hysterical all they want. Lucky us there is a much larger group of members with enough wits about them to call them out on their insipid little game.

[Ban Hammer 14,271]

I think the mods should put a curb on just how many 'illegal mexican' threads and the associated bullshite that comes with it there can be on OT at any one time. This is an organised attempt to create a climate of at the very least distrust against one ethnic group and I am surprised that it's tollerated.

it didn't start off as an illegal mexican thread, you did read the op didn't you?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I think the mods should put a curb on just how many 'illegal mexican' threads and the associated bullshite that comes with it there can be on OT at any one time. This is an organised attempt to create a climate of at the very least distrust against one ethnic group and I am surprised that it's tollerated.

This has been going on for a long time.

There's frankly no more a climate of distrust against Mexicans today (on VJ) than there was a few years ago.

In other words, their ####### doesn't work.

[Peikko 1,575]

Well, my vote is to have some of them deleted. Either that, or we just agree not to post in any of them and just let them all fade away. Anyway, I have said it. That's the way I feel about it. A few threads ok, but saturation? No.

[HAL 9000 96]

I think the mods should put a curb on just how many 'illegal mexican' threads and the associated bullshite that comes with it there can be on OT at any one time. This is an organised attempt to create a climate of at the very least distrust against one ethnic group and I am surprised that it's tollerated.

This has been going on for a long time.

There's frankly no more a climate of distrust against Mexicans today (on VJ) than there was a few years ago.

In other words, their ####### doesn't work.

Now they think that by adding Hugo Chavez' name to the fray they can get more of the "Anti-America" crowd indicted. So... not only are illegals just plain evil, but the Commies are coming to get all of us, too.

There it is! The Communist Illegal Alien Thread!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It was the same thing with the election threads a few months ago - basically post any and everything you can find that has a derogatory headline or mentions so-and-so's name.

No quality control at all.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Number 6

[pedroh 21]

I think the mods should put a curb on just how many 'illegal mexican' threads and the associated bullshite that comes with it there can be on OT at any one time. This is an organised attempt to create a climate of at the very least distrust against one ethnic group and I am surprised that it's tollerated.

This has been going on for a long time.

There's frankly no more a climate of distrust against Mexicans today (on VJ) than there was a few years ago.

In other words, their ####### doesn't work.

AJ loves teh mexicanz

[HAL 9000 96]

Well, my vote is to have some of them deleted. Either that, or we just agree not to post in any of them and just let them all fade away. Anyway, I have said it. That's the way I feel about it. A few threads ok, but saturation? No.

Patience my dear friend.

Even saturations reach their demise.