4 year old shoots herself

[SaadBell 0]

Here's the statistic I'd LOVE to see from the pro-gun poeple.

Take the number of gun homocides, accidental shootings of children etc...and then compare it to the number of people who's lives were miraculously saved because they had a gun in their purse, home etc.

Show me the the people who would have been killed by masked intruders if not for their guns....and tell me there are MORE of these stories than children blowing their brains out.

Then I'll support your "right"

They can't do that because than there would be no questions, and firing a gun is good times, ####### is that about. I mean what if I said I think building my own nuclear weapon is a good time for me, should I have the right to make and keep a nuclear weapon in my house, just in case, you never know.

[PlatyPius 5]

You could easily kill someone with one of those cling wrap roller thingies they use for bundling lumber, wrapping pallets and such. 10 wraps around the person's wrists & 10 around their head; covering their nose and mouth.

Paper clip poked in the jugular will kill someone.

Syringe full of air works, when applied properly.

A wooden shim, like those used for installing windows and doors, makes a good weapon. Reasonably sharp, and can be burned after use.

A common tape measure can be used to decapitate someone.

Ice picks offer many choices for the would-be homicidal maniac.

A stake through the heart isn't just for vampires, ya know.

Swords are readily available at RPG-Dork stores, eBay, and several other sources. Swords can decapitate a lot of people in a short time.

Just a few of the ways that people can kill each other without guns. So take your "Guns are Evil!!!11" ####### and shove it up your #######. Guns aren't evil, PEOPLE are evil. I say we make procreation illegal. The problem will die out on its own.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

A tape measure? How? Inquiring minds wanna know.

[william_wallace 8]

School Safety

* Between 1994 and 1999, there were 220 school associated violent events resulting in 253 deaths - - 74.5% of these involved firearms. Handguns caused almost 60% of these deaths. (Journal of American Medical Association, December 2001)

* In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)

* Nearly 8% of adolescents in urban junior and senior high schools miss at least one day of school each month because they are afraid to attend. (National Mental Health & Education Center for Children & Families, National Association of School Psychologists 1998)

* The National School Boards Association estimates that more than 135,000 guns are brought into U.S. schools each day. (NSBA, 1993)

Children and Gun Violence

* America is losing too many children to gun violence. Between 1979 and 2001, gunfire killed 90,000 children and teens in America. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)

* In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)

* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

America and Gun Violence

* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)

* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)

* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control.

Guns in the Wrong Hands

* Americans for Gun Safety produced a 2003 report that reveals that 20 of the nation’s 22 national gun laws are not enforced. According to U.S. Department of Justice data (FY 2000-2002), only 2% of federal gun crimes were actually prosecuted. Eighty-five percent of cases prosecuted relate to street criminals in possession of firearms. Ignored are laws intended to punish illegal gun trafficking, firearm theft, corrupt gun dealers, lying on a criminal background check form, obliterating firearm serial numbers, selling guns to minors and possessing a gun in a school zone. To access The Enforcement Gap: Federal Gun Laws Ignored, visit http://w3.agsfoundation.com/. For a state-by-state chart of gun crimes (FY 2000-2002), click here.

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Studies show that 1 percent of gun stores sell the weapons traced to 57 percent of gun crimes. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the dealer that armed the DC area sniper is among this small group of problem gun dealers that "supply the suppliers" who funnel guns to the nation's criminals. (Between 1997 and 2001, guns sold by this dealer were involved in 52 crimes, including homicides, kidnappings and assaults. Still open today, it also can't account for 238 guns or say whether they were stolen, lost or sold, or if their buyers underwent felony-background checks.) As a result, these few gun dealers have a vastly disproportionate impact on public safety. The ATF can recognize such dealers based on: (1) guns stolen from inventory; (2) missing federal sales records, needed by police to solve crimes; (3) having 10 weapons a year traced to crimes; (4) frequently selling multiple guns to individual buyers; and (5) short times between gun sales and their involvement in crimes. Yet ATF enforcement is weak due to a lack of Congressional support and resources. For more details, click here.

* Terrorists have purchased firearms at gun shows, where unlicensed sellers are not currently required to conduct background checks or to ask for identification. According to the Middle East Intelligence Report, for example, a Hezbollah member was arrested in November 2000, after a nine-month investigation by the FBI's counter-terrorism unit. Ali Boumelhem was later convicted on seven counts of weapons charges and conspiracy to ship weapons and ammunition to Lebanon. Federal agents had observed Boumelhem, a resident of Detroit and Beirut, travel to Michigan gun shows and buy gun parts and ammunition for shipment overseas. Boumelhem was prohibited from legally purchasing guns as gun stores because he was a convicted felon. Additional cases involve a Pakistani national with an expired (1988) student visa; a Lebanese native and Hamas member with numerous felony convictions; and a supporter of the Irish Republican Army. (USA Today, Wednesday, November 28, 2001 Americans for Gun Safety)

* According to Americans for Gun Safety (December 2002), gun theft is most likely in states without laws requiring safe storage of firearms in the home and where there are large numbers of gun owners and relatively high crime rates. Based on FBI data, nearly 1.7 million guns have been reported stolen in the past ten years, and only 40% of those were recovered. The missing guns, over 80% of which are taken from homes or cars, most likely fuel the black market for criminals. NEA, AGS and the National Rifle Association advocate for safe storage. To access "Stolen Guns: Arming the Enemy" visit www.agsfoundation.com.

* The American Medical Association reports that between 36% and 50% of male eleventh graders believe that they could easily get a gun if they wanted one.

* In 1998-99 academic year, 3,523 students were expelled for bringing a firearm to school. This is a decrease from the 5,724 students expelled in 1996-97 for bringing a firearm to school. (U.S. Department of Education, October 2000)

* According to a report by the Joshephson Institute of Ethics (2000 Report Card: Report #1), 60% of high school and 31% of middle school boys said they could get a gun if they wanted to (April, 2001).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dude, those movies rocked!!!

A book I read recently suggested that a rolled up magazine weighs twice as much as a wooden stick of the equivalent size

[Dr. Obvious 49]

...and firing a gun is good times, ####### is that about.

It is. I used to have the same opinion you do about it, then I got over myself and off the high horse and tried it out. It was a lot of fun shooting targets and old cans. Saftey was priority number one. Once I realized what guns are and are not capable of at the drop of dust, I felt a lot more comfortable about them.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You know what I could use? PVC pipes... I have a few of those lying around and I hit myself in the head with it once, lightly, just to see how it felt, and it hurt. I bet that would do real damage if I hit like I meant it.

[brnidokiegurl 1]

You could easily kill someone with one of those cling wrap roller thingies they use for bundling lumber, wrapping pallets and such. 10 wraps around the person's wrists & 10 around their head; covering their nose and mouth.

Paper clip poked in the jugular will kill someone.

Syringe full of air works, when applied properly.

A wooden shim, like those used for installing windows and doors, makes a good weapon. Reasonably sharp, and can be burned after use.

A common tape measure can be used to decapitate someone.

Ice picks offer many choices for the would-be homicidal maniac.

A stake through the heart isn't just for vampires, ya know.

Swords are readily available at RPG-Dork stores, eBay, and several other sources. Swords can decapitate a lot of people in a short time.

Just a few of the ways that people can kill each other without guns. So take your "Guns are Evil!!!11" ####### and shove it up your #######. Guns aren't evil, PEOPLE are evil. I say we make procreation illegal. The problem will die out on its own.

some police show that was on the guy died they found a fish stuff down his throat (no more fishing i guess)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just a few of the ways that people can kill each other without guns.

They can - but 100lb (or 400lb) weaklings with dual 9mm handguns are a tad more effective at it than the same person running around with a sword, axe or hammer - something that requires a degree of physical fitness to cause sustained mayhem.

[rebeccajo 14]

Then we're gonna have marshall law - and won't that be pretty.

we got dibs on wyatt earp.

Oh darn. A nasty typo.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You know what I could use? PVC pipes... I have a few of those lying around and I hit myself in the head with it once, lightly, just to see how it felt, and it hurt. I bet that would do real damage if I hit like I meant it.

Or wire coat hangers...

[SaadBell 0]

I have fired weapons, was in the military, no I don't find it a good old time to go to the range and shoot at targets. But still ask the question can I have a nuke? If not why?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Don't have any of those. But I do have PVC. But that would mean letting the rioters get real close so I can hit them.

I'd rather just shoot from my window.

But I don't have a gun. Don't even know how to use one.

[Dr. Obvious 49]

I have fired weapons, was in the military, no I don't find it a good old time to go to the range and shoot at targets. But still ask the question can I have a nuke? If not why?

Where is a gun that you can kill millions of people with in an instant? I think most people agree that the power is too much for even most states to handle, let alone the common man. Besides, who can really afford such a thing?

Edited June 10, 2008 by Wacken

[PlatyPius 5]

Don't have any of those. But I do have PVC. But that would mean letting the rioters get real close so I can hit them.

I'd rather just shoot from my window.

But I don't have a gun. Don't even know how to use one.

Fill the last foot of your PVC pipe with concrete. You'll be able to do Uber-Damage.