Fake documents for illegal aliens swamp Houston

[natty bumppo 297]

But Diana... don't you appreciate the really humanitarian ideas some posters have said on this thread? Like "slice them thin and use them to pave the streets"? Nobody gives a hoot about undocumented folks. You should know better, you sexy wetback you

Honestly, how different do you think you sound from the Nazi Germans? You feel like a true patriot? The worst thing of all is that THIS forum is focused on marriages between people from two different nations. If we find this kind of thinking in this forum, we are doomed as a society and as a human race. Travel not just to find a wife! but to open your mind, and learn to accept other people that look, behave and live in a different way.

And please somebody explain me the reasons why Arizona wants to bring farm workers from Mexico because maybe there is a hidden meaning or something.

Tavo, Tavo. Tranquiqui hermano. I was being ironic bro. I agree with your statement -- I think most of the hatred towards undocumented people can be sometimes comparable to that of nazi sympathizers, specially with "let's kill'em all b@stards" comments like the one I replied to (about paving the streets with them).

So there Love you hermano

Ahh ... we finally have the Nazi comments ... what took you guys so long?

About the same time it took you to make that quite disgusting comment.

you took the comment seriously ? ...

Perhaps, knowing the source of it, I should have known better than to take YOU seriously.

I find comments of that nature beyond stupid -- whomever is on the receiving end. I happen to value human life. Don't like it? Too bad.

Sometimes I think real (or wannabe) jerks deserve a fate far worse than that of the people they insidiously make fun of. In a way they do kind of act like some elements of Nazi society. But there's always hope its all a show if you know what I mean.

Nazi ... then name calling ... wow ...

[HAL 9000 96]

But Diana... don't you appreciate the really humanitarian ideas some posters have said on this thread? Like "slice them thin and use them to pave the streets"? Nobody gives a hoot about undocumented folks. You should know better, you sexy wetback you

Honestly, how different do you think you sound from the Nazi Germans? You feel like a true patriot? The worst thing of all is that THIS forum is focused on marriages between people from two different nations. If we find this kind of thinking in this forum, we are doomed as a society and as a human race. Travel not just to find a wife! but to open your mind, and learn to accept other people that look, behave and live in a different way.

And please somebody explain me the reasons why Arizona wants to bring farm workers from Mexico because maybe there is a hidden meaning or something.

Tavo, Tavo. Tranquiqui hermano. I was being ironic bro. I agree with your statement -- I think most of the hatred towards undocumented people can be sometimes comparable to that of nazi sympathizers, specially with "let's kill'em all b@stards" comments like the one I replied to (about paving the streets with them).

So there Love you hermano

Ahh ... we finally have the Nazi comments ... what took you guys so long?

About the same time it took you to make that quite disgusting comment.

you took the comment seriously ? ...

Perhaps, knowing the source of it, I should have known better than to take YOU seriously.

I find comments of that nature beyond stupid -- whomever is on the receiving end. I happen to value human life. Don't like it? Too bad.

Sometimes I think real (or wannabe) jerks deserve a fate far worse than that of the people they insidiously make fun of. In a way they do kind of act like some elements of Nazi society. But there's always hope its all a show if you know what I mean.

Nazi ... then name calling ... wow ...

Only if you feel that way. Or if you have problems with reading comprehension, but don't let me accuse you of any of that.

[Heracles 417]

"Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya

Everybody!!

This you is for you:

[shadtov 0]

My father-in-law came to the US on a work visa in the 70's to work in the US port system. He stayed for a few years and made enough money to return home and open his own business. He had never intended on staying in the US because he had a thriving city to return to.

I think there are a lot of immigrants (undocumented and documented) who would rather come to the US for a few months of the year for work and then return to their communities of origin. However, that is not an option since the border is only minimally open to unskilled workers. People bring their families here because they miss them and can't risk not being able to return to the US after a visit home. Why can't we nurture a program that supports work visas? If you have a legal visa, the government can regulate wages and benefits. That would protect people who come here just for work from abusive employers. It would also protect American workers as these jobs would have to pay basic wages and benefits (preventing artificially lowered wages).

I'm sure that a large number of undocumented folks would prefer a system that allowed them to return to their communities of origin periodically while also ensuring them a way to support their families.

On the other hand, their are many people who are already here with established communities and families. I don't think it would be fair to say, "Well, I know we've let you develop your life here and raise your children here, but now we changed our mind, so get out." I think we had to consider humanitarian options for these families. Destroying established family systems helps no one.

[natty bumppo 297]

But Diana... don't you appreciate the really humanitarian ideas some posters have said on this thread? Like "slice them thin and use them to pave the streets"? Nobody gives a hoot about undocumented folks. You should know better, you sexy wetback you

Honestly, how different do you think you sound from the Nazi Germans? You feel like a true patriot? The worst thing of all is that THIS forum is focused on marriages between people from two different nations. If we find this kind of thinking in this forum, we are doomed as a society and as a human race. Travel not just to find a wife! but to open your mind, and learn to accept other people that look, behave and live in a different way.

And please somebody explain me the reasons why Arizona wants to bring farm workers from Mexico because maybe there is a hidden meaning or something.

Tavo, Tavo. Tranquiqui hermano. I was being ironic bro. I agree with your statement -- I think most of the hatred towards undocumented people can be sometimes comparable to that of nazi sympathizers, specially with "let's kill'em all b@stards" comments like the one I replied to (about paving the streets with them).

So there Love you hermano

Ahh ... we finally have the Nazi comments ... what took you guys so long?

About the same time it took you to make that quite disgusting comment.

you took the comment seriously ? ...

Perhaps, knowing the source of it, I should have known better than to take YOU seriously.

I find comments of that nature beyond stupid -- whomever is on the receiving end. I happen to value human life. Don't like it? Too bad.

Sometimes I think real (or wannabe) jerks deserve a fate far worse than that of the people they insidiously make fun of. In a way they do kind of act like some elements of Nazi society. But there's always hope its all a show if you know what I mean.

Nazi ... then name calling ... wow ...

Only if you feel that way. Or if you have problems with reading comprehension, but don't let me accuse you of any of that.

don't feel that way at all ... just enjoying the "pearls of wisdom" being bestowed on the common folk

[Mononoke28 137]

NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't be a legal resident and then immigrate. You must immigrate legally to be a legal resident. The quote was give me your tired . . . That means let them immigrate. NOT GIVE JOBS TO ILLEGAL RESIDENTS. I was suggesting that perhaps we need to save those jobs for legal immigrants. (WHAT A HORRIBLE NOTION!) The question I was answering was Where in the quote does it say they have to be legal residents first. It was a knee-jerk reaction to someone who believes in legal immigration over illegal immigration.

You can't stop any illegal behavior. Does that make it okay? Does that mean we have no right to try? Does that mean it is unreasonable to expect legal behavior? I'll let reasonable people make their own decisions. Do I think it is reasonable to be proud to have been an illegal immigrant? It implies illegal immigration is better than legal immigration and I won't say what I think of that.

Oook, relax before you have a coronary in good ol' China. This is just a forum where people voice their opinions about a subject that has no end. So no need to get red in the face.

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

Diana

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don't feel that way at all ... just enjoying the "pearls of wisdom" being bestowed on the common folk

Enjoy them all you want since you have brought the pen to write the wise words in your notebook.

Besides, like its been stated plainly, the common folk here are the ones doing the defending from senseless, snide, and dehumanizing language that lends credence to very stupid expressions that fail to resolve the problem from any point of view.

[Heracles 417]

Apparently the line between your proposal to stimulate employment-driven relocation and give citizens the option to receive federal money in exchange for national, beneficial service (which is the "Marxist" ideal you label onto Obama), is too far off for you to understand as actually being quite similar, so I'll let the readers weigh in if they so choose as to the valor of efficacy.

As for making news flashes, you can cry all you want, but without a qualified workforce and a government willing to connect 2 and 2, you have nothing.

As for your continued infatuation with tangential topics, so be it brother. Playing the race excuse is petty and beyond this topic.

Employment stimulation is not Marxist. I would be more than happy for the federal government to give families living in ghettos a grant to move to places where there are jobs. On the condition they actually get and keep and job and don't use it to buy drugs.

It always comes down to race. Half of Americans problems are somehow connected to race. Hence why Canada and Australia are where they are while America is drowning in BS..

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So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

[HAL 9000 96]

NO IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You can't be a legal resident and then immigrate. You must immigrate legally to be a legal resident. The quote was give me your tired . . . That means let them immigrate. NOT GIVE JOBS TO ILLEGAL RESIDENTS. I was suggesting that perhaps we need to save those jobs for legal immigrants. (WHAT A HORRIBLE NOTION!) The question I was answering was Where in the quote does it say they have to be legal residents first. It was a knee-jerk reaction to someone who believes in legal immigration over illegal immigration.

You can't stop any illegal behavior. Does that make it okay? Does that mean we have no right to try? Does that mean it is unreasonable to expect legal behavior? I'll let reasonable people make their own decisions. Do I think it is reasonable to be proud to have been an illegal immigrant? It implies illegal immigration is better than legal immigration and I won't say what I think of that.

Oook, relax before you have a coronary in good ol' China. This is just a forum where people voice their opinions about a subject that has no end. So no need to get red in the face.

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

Diana

Survival. People will try it at any expense. If only others had to actually endure such an existence, perhaps they wouldn't be so silly. Or resistant to actually trying to improve the world we lived in.

[HAL 9000 96]

Apparently the line between your proposal to stimulate employment-driven relocation and give citizens the option to receive federal money in exchange for national, beneficial service (which is the "Marxist" ideal you label onto Obama), is too far off for you to understand as actually being quite similar, so I'll let the readers weigh in if they so choose as to the valor of efficacy.

As for making news flashes, you can cry all you want, but without a qualified workforce and a government willing to connect 2 and 2, you have nothing.

As for your continued infatuation with tangential topics, so be it brother. Playing the race excuse is petty and beyond this topic.

Employment stimulation is not Marxist. I would be more than happy for the federal government to give families living in ghettos a grant to move to places where there are jobs. On the condition they actually get and keep and job and don't use it to buy drugs.

It always comes down to race. Half of Americans problems are somehow connected to race. Hence why Canada and Australia are where they are while America is drowning in BS..

And neither is giving people the option to receive funding in exchange for national service (Marxism involves very different methods of treating socioeconomics, not running a government or a nation beyond socioeconomics). I mean, we already do it to a limited scale with some professions and it works well enough to shift into the big time.

[Heracles 417]

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Edited May 7, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[Mononoke28 137]

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I was talking about my family and I. And no, we're not Mexicans.

Diana

[HAL 9000 96]

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

What do you mean emotion? She lived through it. In any logical argument, she is well-qualified to argue based on actual experience, unlike others.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Where do you get the idea Diana is turning her back against poor Americans? And she sympathizes because her own circumstances.

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I was talking about my family and I. And no, we're not Mexicans.

Diana

It's the same dang thang Diana, don't you know that????? ... our food is better though