Deal or No Deal?

[LaL 418]

I think she can do a lot of good. If she stopped running her campaign in a way that reminds me of Karl Rove and Bush. As far as her stances on the issues, I agree with her for the most part. Thats why I will still vote for her if it comes down to it.

You have been a supporter for Hillary from Day 1. You are too heavily invested in her to really see what Obama might offer. I only made my choice a month ago, right before Super Tuesday. I wanted to see how the race, campaigns played out before I made by choice. How a person manages their campaign is a good indication how they would lead as president. Obama did what I wanted to see, Hillary reminded me of Bush and Karl Rove.

I totally agree.

[no name 1]

Dev, with all due respect, he just asked you a question. I too have asked why you wouldn't support Obama. I don't see how he has compromised his credibility.

No he didn't. He made assumptions.

Neither you nor he know anything about how I feel about Hillary. Or why. I even addressed that to you yesterday & you avoided it.

The bandwagon is accepting riders - get on!

[no name 1]

I think she can do a lot of good. If she stopped running her campaign in a way that reminds me of Karl Rove and Bush. As far as her stances on the issues, I agree with her for the most part. Thats why I will still vote for her if it comes down to it.

You have been a supporter for Hillary from Day 1. You are too heavily invested in her to really see what Obama might offer. I only made my choice a month ago, right before Super Tuesday. I wanted to see how the race, campaigns played out before I made by choice. How a person manages their campaign is a good indication how they would lead as president. Obama did what I wanted to see, Hillary reminded me of Bush and Karl Rove.

I totally agree.

Well, now the peanut gallery has spoken. Is this as a mod or a layperson who never partakes in politics on VJ?

So now you know how I feel about her? I know I never told you or anyone on here, except maybe Steven & Robin (in person). You only assume.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

In the Ohio debate, he raised eyebrows by saying he would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, a blatant attempt to pander to Ohio voters of the protectionist persuasion.

Afterwards, one of his advisers tried to calm nervous Canadian officials, telling them Mr. Obama wasn't serious and that the statements were more political talk than serious policy. The sordid episode makes the Illinois senator look either amateurish or duplicitous -- or both.

Repeating this known untruth doesn't make it a fact. It only shows that Hillary's camp continues to sling mud as it seems to be all they have. Clap clap. Point point. How pathetic.

and yet, he has no rebuttal for it.

*shrugs*

False statements need rebuttals?

You assume it's false. Many assume it's true - esp in Ohio & Texas. I'm waiting to see the results of the investigation but from what I've seen so far, Obama's campign really messed up.

You see what you want to see, Hillary can do no wrong.

No, your assumption is not true.

You think he can do no wrong & she can do no good, as evidenced by your numerous posting of hatred towards her.

His assumption is every bit as true as yours. You even tried to make the absurdly transparent claim that you didn't even support her at one point. I, personally, feel like you're sexist and place Hillary over Barack because of the nature of their crotches.

[LaL 418]

Dev, with all due respect, he just asked you a question. I too have asked why you wouldn't support Obama. I don't see how he has compromised his credibility.

No he didn't. He made assumptions.

Neither you nor he know anything about how I feel about Hillary. Or why. I even addressed that to you yesterday & you avoided it.

what? I read that thread yesterday, after Alex questioned it, and your retort, Alex worded it very plainly for you. You didnt come back to reply.

Edited March 6, 2008 by LaL

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Dev, with all due respect, he just asked you a question. I too have asked why you wouldn't support Obama. I don't see how he has compromised his credibility.

Because if he has credibility, he's making her look foolish. So instead of feeling foolish, she discredits him.

[no name 1]

Dev, with all due respect, he just asked you a question. I too have asked why you wouldn't support Obama. I don't see how he has compromised his credibility.

No he didn't. He made assumptions.

Neither you nor he know anything about how I feel about Hillary. Or why. I even addressed that to you yesterday & you avoided it.

what? I read that thread yesterday, after Alex questioned it, and your retort, Alex worded it very plainly for you. You didnt come back to reply.

Damnit, I hate when life interferes with VJ!

[HAL 9000 96]

Ooooooooohhhhh...

And I did see something hilarious today. A coworker threw a couple of peanuts from his pocket at a squirrel on the way to lunch...

If we were but interested in the issues then perhaps the name calling and whining would be cut down... But unfortunately if we were actually listening to the issues the current front runner would have, at least on VJ-OT, secured the nomination. Besides, that's what a campaign is for: talking. Not slinging mud that is half baked.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Well, now the peanut gallery has spoken. Is this as a mod or a layperson who never partakes in politics on VJ?

So now you know how I feel about her? I know I never told you or anyone on here, except maybe Steven & Robin (in person). You only assume.

1. Her being a mod has no bearing and you are just making sarcastic attacks directed at her to try to strengthen your point.

2. You are extremely bad at hiding your feelings about her. Like I said, you even claimed to not support anyone in the race at one point. "Just because I am against Bush doesn't mean I'm for Hillary." Paraphrased of course.

Edited March 6, 2008 by AnewKINDofFEELIN

[LaL 418]

I think she can do a lot of good. If she stopped running her campaign in a way that reminds me of Karl Rove and Bush. As far as her stances on the issues, I agree with her for the most part. Thats why I will still vote for her if it comes down to it.

You have been a supporter for Hillary from Day 1. You are too heavily invested in her to really see what Obama might offer. I only made my choice a month ago, right before Super Tuesday. I wanted to see how the race, campaigns played out before I made by choice. How a person manages their campaign is a good indication how they would lead as president. Obama did what I wanted to see, Hillary reminded me of Bush and Karl Rove.

I totally agree.

Well, now the peanut gallery has spoken. Is this as a mod or a layperson who never partakes in politics on VJ?

So now you know how I feel about her? I know I never told you or anyone on here, except maybe Steven & Robin (in person). You only assume.

Excuse me Dev? I was agreeing with the race description Dan gave. I was undecided and watched how they both conducted themselves. I agreed with what Dan said. I do tend to stay out of these threads, but I am not election-stupid as you seem to think I am.

And since you brought it up, (being a mod) I will go back to ignoring these threads and having a higher standard of posting than reacting to your circular arguments.

Dev, with all due respect, he just asked you a question. I too have asked why you wouldn't support Obama. I don't see how he has compromised his credibility.

No he didn't. He made assumptions.

Neither you nor he know anything about how I feel about Hillary. Or why. I even addressed that to you yesterday & you avoided it.

what? I read that thread yesterday, after Alex questioned it, and your retort, Alex worded it very plainly for you. You didnt come back to reply.

Damnit, I hate when life interferes with VJ!

yes, for for clarity she didnt avoid it which you accused her of.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

And since you brought it up, (being a mod) I will go back to ignoring these threads and having a higher standard of posting than reacting to your circular arguments.

I'm not very good at doing that. Can someone please report me now?

[no name 1]

I totally agree.

Well, now the peanut gallery has spoken. Is this as a mod or a layperson who never partakes in politics on VJ?

So now you know how I feel about her? I know I never told you or anyone on here, except maybe Steven & Robin (in person). You only assume.

Excuse me Dev? I was agreeing with the race description Dan gave. I was undecided and watched how they both conducted themselves. I agreed with what Dan said. I do tend to stay out of these threads, but I am not election-stupid as you seem to think I am.

And since you brought it up, (being a mod) I will go back to ignoring these threads and having a higher standard of posting than reacting to your circular arguments.

I never said that Lal. I said you never participate not that you know nothing. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Damnit, I hate when life interferes with VJ!

yes, for for clarity she didnt avoid it which you accused her of.

Hence, my above comment about doing 'life' things & not VJ.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

In the Ohio debate, he raised eyebrows by saying he would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, a blatant attempt to pander to Ohio voters of the protectionist persuasion.

Afterwards, one of his advisers tried to calm nervous Canadian officials, telling them Mr. Obama wasn't serious and that the statements were more political talk than serious policy. The sordid episode makes the Illinois senator look either amateurish or duplicitous -- or both.

Repeating this known untruth doesn't make it a fact. It only shows that Hillary's camp continues to sling mud as it seems to be all they have. Clap clap. Point point. How pathetic.

Untruth? Sling mud?

1. The memo (a concrete evidence) from the Canadian Consul who met with Goolsbee was leaked.

source

2. Obama campaign denied the story

3. then Obama said his campaign provided Canada no such reassurance while Goolsbee maintained that DeMora "misinterpreted" his comments.

4. then the Canadian Consulate issued a statement diplomatically finessing the issue.

5. now the Canadian government is investigating as to who leaqked the document.

6. As it now stands, its a "he says he says' between Goolsbie and the Canadian Consul General with the latter conceding that they may have misinterpreted the message while being profusely apolgetic (ok make that regretting) the brouhaha which they fear might give the impression that the Canadians are interfering in the US election.

You may see it as untruth I call that "caught red-handed'

Since it matters little to none what you call it, you can call it anything you want. At the end of the day, all there is is a memo written by a staffer of the Canadian Consulate in Chicago. There's nothing evidencing that what the Obama campaign has said is untrue or wrong. Nothing but a memo written by one staffer.

ETA: Just to illustrate this very simple point, when I attend meetings that are manually captured in minutes, the attendees whose verbal contributions during the meeting have been captured are afforded an opportunity to review the draft and submit changes / clarifications where needed before the minutes are finalized and distributed and serve as documentation. At the end of the day, until I sign off on what I am quoted to have said, the manually captured means nothing at all. That's common practice.

Edited March 6, 2008 by Mr. Big Dog

[metta 0]

In the Ohio debate, he raised eyebrows by saying he would renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement, a blatant attempt to pander to Ohio voters of the protectionist persuasion.

Afterwards, one of his advisers tried to calm nervous Canadian officials, telling them Mr. Obama wasn't serious and that the statements were more political talk than serious policy. The sordid episode makes the Illinois senator look either amateurish or duplicitous -- or both.

Repeating this known untruth doesn't make it a fact. It only shows that Hillary's camp continues to sling mud as it seems to be all they have. Clap clap. Point point. How pathetic.

Untruth? Sling mud?

1. The memo (a concrete evidence) from the Canadian Consul who met with Goolsbee was leaked.

source

2. Obama campaign denied the story

3. then Obama said his campaign provided Canada no such reassurance while Goolsbee maintained that DeMora "misinterpreted" his comments.

4. then the Canadian Consulate issued a statement diplomatically finessing the issue.

5. now the Canadian government is investigating as to who leaqked the document.

6. As it now stands, its a "he says he says' between Goolsbie and the Canadian Consul General with the latter conceding that they may have misinterpreted the message while being profusely apolgetic (ok make that regretting) the brouhaha which they fear might give the impression that the Canadians are interfering in the US election.

You may see it as untruth I call that "caught red-handed'

Since it matters little to none what you call it, you can call it anything you want. At the end of the day, all there is is a memo written by a staffer of the Canadian Consulate in Chicago. There's nothing evidencing that what the Obama campaign has said is untrue or wrong. Nothing but a memo written by one staffer.

ETA: Just to illustrate this very simple point, when I attend meetings that are manually captured in minutes, the attendees whose verbal contributions during the meeting have been captured are afforded an opportunity to review the draft and submit changes / clarifications where needed before the minutes are finalized and distributed and serve as documentation. At the end of the day, until I sign off on what I am quoted to have said, the manually captured means nothing at all. That's common practice.

You're right. At the end of the day, what matters is that it mattered to those voters in Ohia and Texas and Rhode Island who picked Hillary as their choice for dem. nominee last Tuesday.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You're right. At the end of the day, what matters is that it mattered to those voters in Ohia and Texas and Rhode Island who picked Hillary as their choice for dem. nominee last Tuesday.

Right.... Ohio: Clinton 74 Obama 65

............Texas: Clinton 92 Obama 91

.................RI: Clinton 12 Obama 8

Clinton 178 Obama 164

Obviously, not a large majority in two states where Obama had come from double digit defecits. They're listening alright.