What has Hillary Clinton accomplished?

[Caladan 19]

Roe was a bad decision, in terms of its legal grounding, but it's unlikely to be overturned (it's Griswold that does the work that Roe benefits from, and Casey that represents pretty much the established opinion on it. All that's left is frittering around the edges.)

The real court issue to me is whether it's licking the boots of the executive branch or acting like a proper check on executive power.

[GaryC 7]

Roe was a bad decision, in terms of its legal grounding, but it's unlikely to be overturned (it's Griswold that does the work that Roe benefits from, and Casey that represents pretty much the established opinion on it. All that's left is frittering around the edges.)

The real court issue to me is whether it's licking the boots of the executive branch or acting like a proper check on executive power.

I am neither pro or anti abortion. But I do think that each state should make it's own decision. For that reason I would like to see Roe V Wade overturned and let the states decide what the law should be.

[Dan J 277]

Roe was a bad decision, in terms of its legal grounding, but it's unlikely to be overturned (it's Griswold that does the work that Roe benefits from, and Casey that represents pretty much the established opinion on it. All that's left is frittering around the edges.)

The real court issue to me is whether it's licking the boots of the executive branch or acting like a proper check on executive power.

I am neither pro or anti abortion. But I do think that each state should make it's own decision. For that reason I would like to see Roe V Wade overturned and let the states decide what the law should be.

Even if that is the case, the legislature, or the supreme court, will have to set guidlines as to how it state laws can be established. Row v Wade, come out of a state law in Texas, that the court decided had problems.

They overturned the entire law, because they couldn't overturn just the part that was conflicting with the constitution.

Personally I'm pro life, but i still support a woman's right to choose. For two reasons, I don't feel its right to force my moral beliefs onto other people. Simply outlawing abortion will not stop the practice of it, and likely to put more people into danger.

The emphasis should be on education and prevention. But ironically, many of the same people who are anti abortion, are anti sex-ed and birth control (outside of abstinence anyway). If we focus our efforts on sex ed and birth control, the question of abortion will more or less take care of itself.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Back on topic for a minute:

WHAT HAS HILLARY CLINTON ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED?

[Dan J 277]

Back on topic for a minute:

WHAT HAS HILLARY CLINTON ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED?

It was posted yesterday:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111577

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Back on topic for a minute:

WHAT HAS HILLARY CLINTON ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED?

It was posted yesterday:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=111577

Yeah, I was really just calling the Hillbots out on blatant hypocrisy.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Still looking for an answer from our favorite Obama basher.

[Peikko 1,575]

I will say this, from what I have read and understood, Hillary has been intensely interested though out her life in bringing equality and justice to women and children. She believes that some form of Universal Health Care is probably one of the keys to this ambition and it would appear as though she has worked tirelessly to bring about the kinds of changes that would bring this about.

I do not share the opinion of those who state that she cares about power above all else. This is why. Regardless of whether you share her 'vision' as to what should happen to the US she does have a vision where that calls for actions that would lead to real change in the lives of other people for the better. These are not the actions of a despot or dictator.

I have not read nearly enough and I do not for one minute think that this is her only platform, however, to state that she has in her 60 years she has achieved nothing politically is really niave. It also seems clear to me that not only is her political ambition grounded in a wish to change fundamentally the lives of women and children, but it is also a long standing ambition. It certainly did not stem from being the wife of a governor or president. She met Bill when he was a political nobody so I am not really sure how one can assert that she 'stayed with Bill' because that was the best way to achieve her 'despotic' ambition of power. By all acounts, politically that has been a rather suicidal move. Of course, it may well be that had she been a divorce, that might have disbarred her from the position of president, I haven't looked up the rules.

Regardless, as a politician, it seems to me that she is dedicated and professional and has a very high intellect. Notwithstanding, I do believe that the disappointment of not being the front runner at this stage of the game has led her to make some somewhat dubious decisions of late.

Is Barack the better candidate for the Democratic party? Probably at this point he is, although I do predict that should be be nominated it is not going to be a cake walk getting him elected into the WH. McCain will appeal to people who are center right and he is a solid campaigner. He may not be charismatic but that doesn't always win the day. Ultimately, will the US get the best person for the job? I think that's somewhat doubtful but then some of the best presidential material probably never sees the light of day.

[Jaseball 0]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

[Dan J 277]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

Uninsured are at least part of the reason why prices are so high. You can go to the emergency room and leave without ever paying a bill. That cost is passed on in higher prices. So in a sense we have socialized health care already, its just really ineffceint since its only done through the emergency room.

[Jaseball 0]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

Uninsured are at least part of the reason why prices are so high. You can go to the emergency room and leave without ever paying a bill. That cost is passed on in higher prices. So in a sense we have socialized health care already, its just really ineffceint since its only done through the emergency room.

Yep. The rich go to the best specialists directly without HMO's. The uninsured, poor, illegals, etc., run to the emergency room and refuse or are unable to pay.

The rest of us better have health care and better listen to the rules, but we still end up screwed if you have a chronic or terminal condition. 90% of most folks health care costs are incurred in the last 6 months of life - when they are dying.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

Uninsured are at least part of the reason why prices are so high. You can go to the emergency room and leave without ever paying a bill. That cost is passed on in higher prices. So in a sense we have socialized health care already, its just really ineffceint since its only done through the emergency room.

Yep. The rich go to the best specialists directly without HMO's. The uninsured, poor, illegals, etc., run to the emergency room and refuse or are unable to pay.

The rest of us better have health care and better listen to the rules, but we still end up screwed if you have a chronic or terminal condition. 90% of most folks health care costs are incurred in the last 6 months of life - when they are dying.

US medical service probably IS best in the world IF

You have a particularly good insurance

You are in the right state

You are lucky

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Yep. The rich go to the best specialists directly without HMO's.

The rich or anyone with a POS plan (and most PPO's too).

Edited February 22, 2008 by VJ Troll

[Dan J 277]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

Uninsured are at least part of the reason why prices are so high. You can go to the emergency room and leave without ever paying a bill. That cost is passed on in higher prices. So in a sense we have socialized health care already, its just really ineffceint since its only done through the emergency room.

Yep. The rich go to the best specialists directly without HMO's. The uninsured, poor, illegals, etc., run to the emergency room and refuse or are unable to pay.

The rest of us better have health care and better listen to the rules, but we still end up screwed if you have a chronic or terminal condition. 90% of most folks health care costs are incurred in the last 6 months of life - when they are dying.

US medical service probably IS best in the world IF

You have a particularly good insurance

You are in the right state

You are lucky

We do have some of the best clinics and hospitals in the world, but quality overall is very inconsistent.

[GaryC 7]

The real problem isn't universal healthcare or uninsured as much as how the 'health,' industry in America is totally out of whack. Why should one night in a hospital cost upwards of $12k? Why is two vicodin $50 when you get that in the emergency room? Why are medical bills so full of codes and gibberish few people can understand? Why do they send in 'specialists,' to look over a terminal patient for 5 minutes and then have the nerve to bill $500+ for their time?

Uninsured are at least part of the reason why prices are so high. You can go to the emergency room and leave without ever paying a bill. That cost is passed on in higher prices. So in a sense we have socialized health care already, its just really ineffceint since its only done through the emergency room.

Yep. The rich go to the best specialists directly without HMO's. The uninsured, poor, illegals, etc., run to the emergency room and refuse or are unable to pay.

The rest of us better have health care and better listen to the rules, but we still end up screwed if you have a chronic or terminal condition. 90% of most folks health care costs are incurred in the last 6 months of life - when they are dying.

US medical service probably IS best in the world IF

You have a particularly good insurance

You are in the right state

You are lucky

Speaking as someone who just had an "in your face" encounter with our health care system, I would hate to see anything change it. Luz was cared for in a prompt and complete manner. They didn't even ask for payment or insurance until AFTER she was taken care of and was in her room. Her insurance, the state she lived in and luck had nothing to do with it. She could have been an uninsured illegal or a vastly wealthy elite and there would have been no difference.