I think the War in Iraq is helping our economy: Bush

[pedroh 21]

Perhaps I'm not understanding the context here - but "If you don't share this vision..." seems to me a disgusting attitude to take.

Whoring for the arms industry might do right for the families of the folks who work for those companies (or their subsidiaries) but can you then lay claim to high moral principles?

The arms I produce keep my country safe in the world. They preserve Freedom, Democracy and the Capitalist Economic system that provides the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people than any other system ever conceived of by man.

• Free to do or be anything that you can achieve through hard work and education.

• The right to have a say in your country's future.

• The opportunity to exercise your freedom to create, build or invent things for the good of your fellow man and a small profit.

If that is not moral then what is?

Giving free things to people that don't care enough about them to go create these things for themselves. Who in turn despise and hate you for your generosity because it is never enough to satisfy that empty feeling that they have inside from never really trying for themselves.

While in turn robbing them of their dignity and self-respect.

Is that what you call moral?

Letting murder, torture and crimes against humanity continue to exist and grow unchecked because we lack the will to stand up and do what is right, no matter what the cost is in the short term.

That is the path of a coward. I would rather die doing the right thing then live forever the life of a coward.

That is what i am eluding to as short-sighted, or lack of vision. I know that history has taught us that what we did is going to be viewed as the right thing 20, 30 or 40 years from now, the timing I do not know. In the end I know what is right is right.

Number 6, have you ever been in a fight as a child or an adult, where moments before the fight you knew it was coming and you were not even sure if you would win, but you still had to fight, even if you may well lose. Because in the end you knew it was the right thing to do, to defend yourself or your property or your family or loved ones or your principles. No matter what the cost. Not fighting would be the worst outcome.

I know the time is now, this is that time!

I am sure that when your homeland faced off against the Germans during WW2 they knew it was that time. But a few shorts years before the mantra was "Peace in our time" was it not?

I am still an optimist and a dreamer, in the sense that I believe that we can still create a peaceful world, prosperous world for all. When I say all I mean all Countries of the world. We all can live in a first world country, no matter which corner of the globe it is in.

The road to peace is not through pacifism, defenselessness and cowardice, these traits only embolden our enemies.

The road to peace lies in strength and the judicial use of power against people that destroy humanity, freedom and democracy.

I will fight to see Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism brought to every corner of this world, or I will die trying. Because until this happens there will never be any peace.

guantanamo, abu grahib? waterboarding? yes, they are very unchecked, the government says its illegal, but they can do it anyway... that's the biggest hypocrisy of all..the US can pull all that sh!t, just because they are defending freedom? pliz

it's illegal, but if there's a threat, we can do it, biggest pile of bs i've ever heard from the congress

Edited February 25, 2008 by pedroh

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Perhaps I'm not understanding the context here - but "If you don't share this vision..." seems to me a disgusting attitude to take.

Whoring for the arms industry might do right for the families of the folks who work for those companies (or their subsidiaries) but can you then lay claim to high moral principles?

1The arms I produce keep my country safe in the world. They preserve Freedom, Democracy and the Capitalist Economic system that provides the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people than any other system ever conceived of by man.

• Free to do or be anything that you can achieve through hard work and education.

• The right to have a say in your country's future.

• The opportunity to exercise your freedom to create, build or invent things for the good of your fellow man and a small profit.

If that is not moral then what is?

Giving free things to people that don't care enough about them to go create these things for themselves. Who in turn despise and hate you for your generosity because it is never enough to satisfy that empty feeling that they have inside from never really trying for themselves.

While in turn robbing them of their dignity and self-respect.

Is that what you call moral?

2Letting murder, torture and crimes against humanity continue to exist and grow unchecked because we lack the will to stand up and do what is right, no matter what the cost is in the short term.

That is the path of a coward. I would rather die doing the right thing then live forever the life of a coward.

That is what i am eluding to as short-sighted, or lack of vision. I know that history has taught us that what we did is going to be viewed as the right thing 20, 30 or 40 years from now, the timing I do not know. In the end I know what is right is right.

3Number 6, have you ever been in a fight as a child or an adult, where moments before the fight you knew it was coming and you were not even sure if you would win, but you still had to fight, even if you may well lose. Because in the end you knew it was the right thing to do, to defend yourself or your property or your family or loved ones or your principles. No matter what the cost. Not fighting would be the worst outcome.

I know the time is now, this is that time!

I am sure that when your homeland faced off against the Germans during WW2 they knew it was that time. But a few shorts years before the mantra was "Peace in our time" was it not?

I am still an optimist and a dreamer, in the sense that I believe that we can still create a peaceful world, prosperous world for all. When I say all I mean all Countries of the world. We all can live in a first world country, no matter which corner of the globe it is in.

4The road to peace is not through pacifism, defenselessness and cowardice, these traits only embolden our enemies.

The road to peace lies in strength and the judicial use of power against people that destroy humanity, freedom and democracy.

5I will fight to see Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism brought to every corner of this world, or I will die trying. Because until this happens there will never be any peace.

Hmmmm - that's pretty naive and wonky reasoning.

1. That's a bit of an unrealistically optimistic view of the situation don't you think? Might be true if those companies weren't going around exporting their products to our so-called "enemies". I mean, are you going to tell me that they haven't done this in the past?

2. We have, do and continue to do this. Iraq was never about that, and the welfare of the Iraqi people (or indeed any oppressed people) were pretty far down on the list of our priorities. To pretend otherwise is rather offensive. Easy to do so when you need to claim some moral high ground, but pretty useless in the final analysis.

3. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

4. I might respect your reasoning more if you didn't pop out with these silly political soundbites and slogans, straight out of the administration's playbook. High-sounding rhetoric that's empty and utterly meaningless - in any real way.

5. Please. You will do no such thing.

Edited February 25, 2008 by Number 6

[kaydee457 13]

I do work for a company that sells to GE, Rolls Royce, Lockheed, Boeing, British Armaments, Pratt & Whitney, Allison, Plus many others. Making many things that I am not even allowed to tell you about per the contract I signed at hiring. And some that they will not even tell us what they are. I am eternally grateful for this. I hope it continues long into the future. For the sake of my Country, my company and my family.

If you do not share this vision you are surely shortsighted to the point that it may threaten to hasten your own demise.

Thankfully the Tax cuts put in place by this administration have made my salary increase by over 30% (with increased Air travel and Jet purchases). Not to mention saving me $1400 dollars off my taxes the first year of the cuts and close to $2000 a year at this point. I would have to say I am doing better now financially then at any other time in my life.

This is the best time of my life!

Thank you Mr. President

Ditto!

[kaydee457 13]

Remember we do not write our history the next generation does. That is how Abraham Lincoln has become one of the greatest Presidents in history. When in his own time he was savaged by the press and barely got re-elected, And was not very popular with anyone.

Fair enough. Just remember that there are also many leaders around the world who gambled their reputations on unpopular actions and lost. Their gambles didn't work out and history has judged them harshly.

I don't know how Iraq will turn out. For everybody's sake, I hope it turns out well I am hopeful but not terribly optimistic.

I think you're in need of rethinking this........This war was, and is strategically important to the west for nothing else other than to secure the source of oil.

Our actions sent a message to other despots, including those in Iran, when we invaded. However unpopular it may be now, it made our intentions clear.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Remember we do not write our history the next generation does. That is how Abraham Lincoln has become one of the greatest Presidents in history. When in his own time he was savaged by the press and barely got re-elected, And was not very popular with anyone.

Fair enough. Just remember that there are also many leaders around the world who gambled their reputations on unpopular actions and lost. Their gambles didn't work out and history has judged them harshly.

I don't know how Iraq will turn out. For everybody's sake, I hope it turns out well I am hopeful but not terribly optimistic.

I think you're in need of rethinking this........This war was, and is strategically important to the west for nothing else other than to secure the source of oil.

Our actions sent a message to other despots, including those in Iran, when we invaded. However unpopular it may be now, it made our intentions clear.

Interesting interpretation of for "Everybody's sake".

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

Perhaps I'm not understanding the context here - but "If you don't share this vision..." seems to me a disgusting attitude to take.

Whoring for the arms industry might do right for the families of the folks who work for those companies (or their subsidiaries) but can you then lay claim to high moral principles?

1The arms I produce keep my country safe in the world. They preserve Freedom, Democracy and the Capitalist Economic system that provides the highest standard of living for the greatest number of people than any other system ever conceived of by man.

• Free to do or be anything that you can achieve through hard work and education.

• The right to have a say in your country's future.

• The opportunity to exercise your freedom to create, build or invent things for the good of your fellow man and a small profit.

If that is not moral then what is?

Giving free things to people that don't care enough about them to go create these things for themselves. Who in turn despise and hate you for your generosity because it is never enough to satisfy that empty feeling that they have inside from never really trying for themselves.

While in turn robbing them of their dignity and self-respect.

Is that what you call moral?

2Letting murder, torture and crimes against humanity continue to exist and grow unchecked because we lack the will to stand up and do what is right, no matter what the cost is in the short term.

That is the path of a coward. I would rather die doing the right thing then live forever the life of a coward.

That is what i am eluding to as short-sighted, or lack of vision. I know that history has taught us that what we did is going to be viewed as the right thing 20, 30 or 40 years from now, the timing I do not know. In the end I know what is right is right.

3Number 6, have you ever been in a fight as a child or an adult, where moments before the fight you knew it was coming and you were not even sure if you would win, but you still had to fight, even if you may well lose. Because in the end you knew it was the right thing to do, to defend yourself or your property or your family or loved ones or your principles. No matter what the cost. Not fighting would be the worst outcome.

I know the time is now, this is that time!

I am sure that when your homeland faced off against the Germans during WW2 they knew it was that time. But a few shorts years before the mantra was "Peace in our time" was it not?

I am still an optimist and a dreamer, in the sense that I believe that we can still create a peaceful world, prosperous world for all. When I say all I mean all Countries of the world. We all can live in a first world country, no matter which corner of the globe it is in.

4The road to peace is not through pacifism, defenselessness and cowardice, these traits only embolden our enemies.

The road to peace lies in strength and the judicial use of power against people that destroy humanity, freedom and democracy.

5I will fight to see Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism brought to every corner of this world, or I will die trying. Because until this happens there will never be any peace.

Hmmmm - that's pretty naive and wonky reasoning.

1. That's a bit of an unrealistically optimistic view of the situation don't you think? Might be true if those companies weren't going around exporting their products to our so-called "enemies". I mean, are you going to tell me that they haven't done this in the past?

2. We have, do and continue to do this. Iraq was never about that, and the welfare of the Iraqi people (or indeed any oppressed people) were pretty far down on the list of our priorities. To pretend otherwise is rather offensive. Easy to do so when you need to claim some moral high ground, but pretty useless in the final analysis.

3. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

4. I might respect your reasoning more if you didn't pop out with these silly political soundbites and slogans, straight out of the administration's playbook. High-sounding rhetoric that's empty and utterly meaningless - in any real way.

5. Please. You will do no such thing.

It seems #5 was posted from his bunker in Rwand where he is fighting to bring peace to Africa.

[Sinergy 3]

i wonder who wrote that sentence for him

and ####### is he thinking???

He's thinking "Synergy" is spelled with a "Y".

har har, wow, you really are slow, its spelt both ways, look it up