Cannot Get SSN After Getting Marriage

[jeff75 0]

Same here in Minneapolis,MN with K1. Once you get married, they don't want to process your application for SSN. Even you show them their own paperwork that describe how to proceed with K1. Calling supervisor does not help...

Regards,

Jeff 75

If you arrived on June 24th, they are wrong. There is no requirement for you to first report the name change to immigration.

RM 10212.001 Defining the Legal Name for an SSN

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212001

B. Evidence of legal name

2. Foreign born individual

A foreign-born person’s legal name is the name shown on his or her immigration document (includes hyphens and apostrophes).

The only time you may process an SSN application in a name that does not agree with the name shown on the immigration document is if the person legally changed his or her name after the immigration document is issued. In these situations, the legal name is the name shown on the evidence of the name change.

[JulieNTodd 0]

Just got back from the Minneapolis office, also, and ditto.

Todd

[Jilli & Ales 9]

I know I may be beating a dead horse...

but I sent someone to the SSA and they said (relating to name change), you have to call DHS and get your name changed on the immigration documents.

What immigration documents. All we will have will be I-94.

So I called DHS and she said oh file I-120. $330, are you kidding me, no way.

Please set my mind at rest. I printed out all the forms and proofs for this woman and she just said, "call homeland security" without looking.

Supervisor?

[I'm Gone 60]

Just got back from the Minneapolis office, also, and ditto.

Was this the Card Center?

Same here in Minneapolis,MN with K1. Once you get married, they don't want to process your application for SSN. Even you show them their own paperwork that describe how to proceed with K1.

Was this also the Card Center?

[I'm Gone 60]

I know I may be beating a dead horse...

but I sent someone to the SSA and they said (relating to name change), you have to call DHS and get your name changed on the immigration documents.

That is BS. As long as the name change happened after the immigration was issued and the immigration document is not expired or within 14 days of expiring.

This is what I would throw at them:

RM 10211.605 Request for a Replacement SSN Card Obtained for a Nonwork Purpose

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211605

A. Correcting Numident data when a replacement card cannot be issued

If the alien does not provide evidence of work authorization or a valid nonwork reason, explain that we cannot issue a replacement card.

1. Alien provides documentation supporting the change

Although the FO cannot issue a replacement card, you may correct the Numident if the alien provides documentation supporting the change (e.g., a name change).

If the alien provides documentation supporting the change, process the replacement card application to update the Numident information but suppress the issuance of a card.

If I can change the name on my SSN record without work authorization or a valid non-work reason, how come I can't do it when my I-94 has not expired and a unexpired I-94 with K-1 status per RM 10211.420 G1 is evidence of work authorization and show me where getting married invalidates the K-1 status.

[I'm Gone 60]

If all else fails e-mail SSA:

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/ask

Include your phone number and the office (city and state and street address if city has more than one office) where you tried to apply.

[Jilli & Ales 9]

If all else fails e-mail SSA:

http://ssa-custhelp.ssa.gov/app/ask

Include your phone number and the office (city and state and street address if city has more than one office) where you tried to apply.

Thank you so much for the help, as always. Complications, ugh!! I'm wondering though, what you linked me, it says "replacement card." This will be the first card, obviously. Does it change anything?

[Jilli & Ales 9]

Thank you so much for the help, as always. Complications, ugh!! I'm wondering though, what you linked me, it says "replacement card." This will be the first card, obviously. Does it change anything?

I think I see what you're saying, like "well if this is allowed, why not this?" Well I emailed them and I will head back over there in the coming weeks, hopefully I won't have the same useless woman. If you could have seen her face = I don't give a rat's patootie about you or this job. Why does everything have to be a pulling teeth nightmare???

[Darnell 8,478]

i like one of the side effects of pulling teeth -

a 'derogatory instance of ineptitude' placed in the employee's personnel jacket.

This purty much prevents future advancement with the IRS.

You gots any teeth pincers? Err, I mean, National SSA office ppl to 'train', in real time, the local buffoon? You can make that happen, if'n you complain at the National Level that the local office staff (name names, please) isn't following the national guidelines, and is some how mis-interpreting the regs at a local level, to be something different.

Takes some work, but in the end - you can get the card and the report in the personnel jacket.

Good Luck, whatever you decide to do !

[Jilli & Ales 9]

i like one of the side effects of pulling teeth -

a 'derogatory instance of ineptitude' placed in the employee's personnel jacket.

This purty much prevents future advancement with the IRS.

You gots any teeth pincers? Err, I mean, National SSA office ppl to 'train', in real time, the local buffoon? You can make that happen, if'n you complain at the National Level that the local office staff (name names, please) isn't following the national guidelines, and is some how mis-interpreting the regs at a local level, to be something different.

Takes some work, but in the end - you can get the card and the report in the personnel jacket.

Good Luck, whatever you decide to do !

Are you being serious hahah!! That would be great, because she could not give less of a *beep* What an awful employee, and this person has my future in her hands? Are you kidding? I did send an email to SSA laying out the issue, and asking them to confirm or deny my belief in interpreting the code. I said I believe she acted in direct opposition to the code set down. I hope I can get something concrete in response and not some form letter. Come on SSA!! Give me justice!

[I'm Gone 60]

You gots any teeth pincers? Err, I mean, National SSA office ppl to 'train', in real time, the local buffoon? You can make that happen, if'n you complain at the National Level that the local office staff (name names, please) isn't following the national guidelines, and is some how mis-interpreting the regs at a local level, to be something different.

Takes some work, but in the end - you can get the card and the report in the personnel jacket.

I would say that with K-1 status you are wasting your time, since your status will probably be expired before anything gets done about it.

[Jilli & Ales 9]

I thought I had posted this, so if it doubles, I apologize. I just wanted to let everyone know, I got a great response by contacting SSA via email.

As "I Quit" requested, here was my confirmation: jilliak\Response\4228353\Young DDSO 10087\

They sent me this information, with their emphasis added:

Thank you for contacting the Social Security Administration regarding eligibility to be assigned a Social Security number.

We suggest that individuals that have entered the United States with non-immigrant status wait at least 10 calendar days before submitting a Social Security number (SSN) application to allow the Department of Homeland Security time to record entry into their database, but individuals are not required to wait 10 days before applying.

RM 10213.305 Procedure when an SSN Applicant Files for an SSN within 10 Days of Arriving in the U.S or Having a Change in Status:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110213305

An individual that entered the United States with K-1 status applying for a work authorized SSN must present evidence at one of our offices to establish his or her age, identity, and current lawful employment authorized status.

An individual needs to provide at least two documents as evidence to establish age, identity, and current lawful employment authorized status.

Example: If the immigration document, for example, Form I-94, Form I-551, Form I-766, is used to establish work authorization and identity, the alien must provide another document to establish age.

We will not assign an SSN or issue a card to an individual that is within 14 days of his or her alien status expiring. Until the 76th day after entry an individual with K-1 status only needs to provide an unexpired I-94 showing current K-1 status to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

Once, an individual that entered the United States with K-1 status has been in the United States 76 days he or she will need another document, for example, Form I-551, Form I-766, to establish employment authorized status for SSN purposes.

RM 10211.420 Employment Authorization for Non-immigrants:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211420

RM 10211.025 Evidence of Lawful Permanent Resident (LPR) Status for an SSN Card:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110211025

Note: Marriage does not affect an individual with K-1 status's eligibility to be assigned an SSN, or issued a card. We accept all marriage documents issued within the 50 United States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa.

RM 10212.025 Evidence of Name Change based on a US Ceremonial Marriage:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212025

We can accept a name change document based on marriage as evidence of the new name to be shown on the card, if the new name can be derived from the marriage document.

Any of the following changes to the last name, using the names shown on the evidence, are permitted:

-- bride takes the groom’s last name;

-- groom takes bride’s last name;

-- spouse or takes the other parties’ last name;

-- spouse or takes one part of the other parties’ compound surname;

-- compound name (with or without hyphen) of each spouse’s original

surname for either or both parties.

Example:

Lisa Foster submits evidence of the name change event, her US ceremonial marriage to Bryan Lee-Walsh. She wants to change her surname to a compound surname, Foster Lee, with only part of Bryan’s surname. Since this new name can be derived from the prior names shown on the marriage document, the marriage document is acceptable evidence of the new name. We may also change Lisa’s surname to one of the following if she requests it:

-- WALSH,

-- LEE-WALSH (or reverse, with or without space or hyphen),

-- LEE FOSTER (with or without space or hyphen, Foster Lee could also

have a hyphen or not have a space)

-- FOSTER WALSH (or reverse, with or without space or hyphen)

-- FOSTER LEE WALSH (in any order, with or without spaces or hyphens)

The marriage document can also be used as acceptable evidence of identity, if it shows Lisa’s prior name (Lisa Foster) and either her age, birth date, or parents’ names, that matches the data on the SSN record, and the marriage took place within the prior two years.

RM 10212.055 Evidence Required to Process a Name Change on the SSN based on Marriage, Civil Union and Domestic Partnership:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212055

This is in addition to proof of current lawful employment authorized status.

A foreign-born person’s legal name is the name shown on his or her immigration document, for example, Form I-94.

If the required documents show clearly different names, we cannot accept the evidence to process the application. In these situations, the applicant must submit evidence showing the same name, or submit evidence of a name change that occurred after the immigration document was issued.

RM 10212.001 Defining the Legal Name for an SSN:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110212001

When requesting an SSN card, the documents presented, as evidence must be either originals or copies certified by the issuing agency. We cannot accept uncertified or notarized photocopies as evidence.

If an acceptable evidence document is in a language other than English and no other acceptable document is available, we will have the foreign language document translated by an authorized translator.

SSA translators comprise two groups:

-- Field office and Payment Center employees who volunteer their

services as translators

-- Central Translation Section translators who hold actual translator

positions.

GN 00301.340 Authorized Translators Defined:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0200301340

If a foreign-born person has the foreign birth certificate in his/her possession or can easily obtain a copy, he or she must submit it as proof of age. In some situations we can accept alternative evidence of age. The alternative evidence of age may be less than a year old, for example, foreign passport.

You can find links to detailed information regarding evidence that establishes age on our Web site:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210250

The documents acceptable as evidence of identity are based on three factors: (1) the applicant’s age, (2) the applicant’s citizenship/alien status, and (3) the relative value of documents.

Primary Identity Evidence for an alien:

-- Form I-551, Permanent Resident Card (includes temporary I-551

Stamp in combination with an unexpired foreign passport when the I-

551 Permanent Resident Card has not yet been issued)

-- Form I-94, Arrival/departure Record in combination with an

unexpired foreign passport-- Form I-766, Employment Authorization card in combination with an

unexpired foreign passport

Note: Document must be unexpired

Secondary Identity Evidence for an alien:

-- Unexpired valid U.S. driver’s license (excludes licenses known to

be suspended or revoked)

-- U.S. State issued non-driver identity card (issued by the same

State agency which issues driver’s licenses/State-level agency with

issuing authority over the State’s identity card and not expired)

-- Marriage document showing in addition to the applicant’s name

either the applicant’s date of birth (DOB) or age -- Certified copy of medical record (clinic, doctor, or hospital) or

letter providing extract data from the medical record showing in

addition to the applicant’s name, the applicant’s DOB or age

-- Health insurance or Medicaid card showing, in addition to the

person’s name, either a photograph of the person or his/her DOB

-- School identity card or record (for current school year) showing,

in addition to the applicant’s name, either a photograph of the

applicant or the applicant’s DOB

-- Life insurance policy for the person showing his/her age or DOB.

However, the acceptability of an identity document must be evaluated on a case by case basis by the office processing the application.

RM 10210.405 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210405

RM 10210.420 List of Documents in Priority of Acceptability for Use as Evidence of Identity:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110210420

We cannot accept an application filing receipt or notice of action as evidence of an immigration document, or an immigration document with a “valid from” date in the future.

Exception: We can accept an expired I-551 card accompanied by a Form I-797C (Notice of Action) stating, “Your conditional resident status is extended for a period of one year as evidence of LPR status.”

Take the required documents to the nearest Social Security office or Card Center. Individuals age 12 or older applying for an original SSN and card must apply in person.

You can obtain the address and directions to the nearest Social Security office from the Social Security Office Locator, which is available on the Internet:

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

Applicants who live or receive mail in the Brooklyn, NY, Queens, NY, Phoenix, AZ, Orlando, FL, Sacramento, CA, Philadelphia, PA, or Las Vegas, NV area should apply at their local Social Security Card Center.

Individuals residing in the Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN area should apply at the Twin Cities Card Center.

Card Center Information:

http://www.ssa.gov/cardcenters/cardcenterinfo.html

Normally, an SSN card should be received in the mail within two weeks after the application and required document(s) have been received and verified.

However, when an alien requests an SSN or replacement card, we must verify his or her documents/current status with the appropriate bureau of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). If the initial online verification is not possible through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) system, we may need to send a Form G-845 to the appropriate DHS Status Verification Office (SVO) for manual verification.

Social Security field offices can submit an additional electronic online verification, which with the majority of applications eliminates the need to send a Form G-845 along with a copy of the applicant’s immigration documents.

However, some applications still require a copy of the immigration document(s) to be mailed to the appropriate DHS SVO along with Form G-845 for manual verification.

Note: If the applicant has changed his/her name after an immigration document, for example, Form I-94, was issued, for example, married and is now using the married name, but has not obtained a corrected immigration document showing the new name; this is not a name discrepancy for SSN purposes, that is, SAVE clearance, if the applicant can provide an acceptable legal name change document to establish the new name.

The 14-day status expiration limit for assigning an SSN and/or issuing a card applies even if an individual submitted his or her application before being within the 14-day period and entered the 14-day period while waiting for his or her status to be verified.

Our offices can also assist applicants by issuing a notice acknowledging the SSN application while documents are being verified.

RM 10205.215 Acknowledgement Requested for an Application for an SSN Card:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0110205215

All cards are mailed from Social Security Headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland to the postal address provided on the Form SS-5.

An individual assigned an SSN based on K-1 status will be issued an SSN card with “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION,” printed on the card.

An SSN card having the legend, “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION,” only means that the number holder cannot use the SSN card as proof of authorization to work in the United States. It does not otherwise affect the validity of the card or number.

When an individual previously issued an SSN card with “VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION” printed on it has been granted permanent residency, he or she can apply for a replacement SSN card that reflects the new immigration status.

An alien granted permanent residency status is eligible to be issued an unrestricted SSN card and will retain the originally assigned SSN.

[I'm Gone 60]

OK now that you have that response, go to an SSA office and try to apply. If you again have a problem, respond back to the e-mail with your phone number and the location of office where you tried to apply. If they take the application, be sure to get the application reference number. If they can't verify your imigration status while you are there and give you the 4 to 6 weeks BS, ask why it didn't verify.

Your name can be off by one letter or verify with your maiden name when applying with married name and you have provided a name change document (marriage certificate) and still be OK to process the application.

[Jilli & Ales 9]

OK now that you have that response, go to an SSA office and try to apply. If you again have a problem, respond back to the e-mail with your phone number and the location of office where you tried to apply. If they take the application, be sure to get the application reference number. If they can't verify your imigration status while you are there and give you the 4 to 6 weeks BS, ask why it didn't verify.

Your name can be off by one letter or verify with your maiden name when applying with married name and you have provided a name change document (marriage certificate) and still be OK to process the application.

Thanks so much. We won't be doing this until December, but I had seen so many issues, I thought it best to be prepared!

[I'm Gone 60]

We won't be doing this until December