TracyHamza

Did they ask again about your name? Did any of your red flags get talked about?

they never mentioned it this time...after the interview my husband came out and asked if it was about the age difference and they said no...really today is the first day i can honestly say i am ashamed of my country..and the security ck was demeaning...treating him like some terrorist...i am just sick to my stomach with all of it...there isn't any such thing as liberty and pursuit of happiness it's about the almighty dollar....the US Immigration is a disgrace

I am sorry for you. See lots of denials lately out of Morrocco. I am in the same boat, my husband was denied 12/15/09 in Ghana. You will need to get an attorney now. I hear the appeal "rebuttal" process can take years.

OMG...years?......this process is really too much....so...if the consulate refuses twice and says sending back for investigation to USCIS then they will uphold the refusal?

Have you tried to call your senator?

yes...the senators office got us the second interview...i am in communication with both senators offices now but not sure what they can do to help further

we were again denied CR-1 at Casa consulate....first interview was same CO who denied hubby's tourist visa back in june when i needed surgery....he kept asking the "other guy" CO what to do...well, this time hubby had the "other guy"....seems to me something fishy and suspicious is going on at this consulate....the CO didn't give a paper this time and only told my hubby that its the same as the first paper...which never stated what we were denied for..the CO this time told my hubby that it's being sent back for investigation...and that's all the jerk said..

anyway, my question is...

i have been told that after a second denial that you hardly ever get approved.....does anyone know if this is true or not?....and if so, what will that mean as far as this CR-1?......do we wait it out?....if denied can we refile another CR-1 or what will happen?.. .am clueless....any advice or info would help us out lots.....thanks in advance....

well people...we were denied again...i'm in the process of emailing every gov't office i can....this consulate is DEPLORABLE.....this second interview was a big setup...remember when i said that at the 1st interview the CO kept going to talk to another man?...well the "other man" was who interviewed him this time....same ####### over again...not bothering to look at the evidence and not even the new which included written statements from his entire family showing they approve and how long they've known me and even mentioning the things i like to eat, etc.....the CO said returning it for investigation....what a MORON...that's ok...I'll fight this every step of the way...I'll bug the gov't offices about this consulate that they will look into the matter just to get some peace from me.....it ain't over yet!!!!

Thank you sooo much everyone for your input and advice....please wish us good luck...my nerves are shot ... ...we'll keep you updated...

I would send my rebuttle letter to the CO BOSS and that is DOS. I did the rebuttle letter, and I did my researched on all the Moroccan woman that were getting approved for fiance visa's the sameday. Indeed it is discrimination to the highest degree. Send your rebuttle through the email asap. I got denied before but mines was a fiance visa. I went to Morocco and got married. You did the right thing by contacting your State Representive. Let me tell you there is a man that can't speak no english and he got approved for a fiance visa, I believe on the sameday that your husband was denied. Go look on /.ning and look under the name robin. The sad thing about that is that her fiance couldn't even write to her he used other people to write for him. They approved him right away. Talk about a bunch of boo boo. 14yr age difference should not be a red flag, when they are approving men that are 25+ years younger then their spouse. Not just that American woman are entiltled to marrying who they chose to without worrying anymore what society thinks.

yes i agree...i saw many women coming out smiling and happy they got their visa...my husband told me that one woman in there that day told her CO that she forgot her proof and she still got her visa

The consulate chief told me to send him (fax)whatever I thought would help my case and address it dirctly to him "consulate chief" guess thats his name or what he wanted to be known as. Also put your case # at the top of each page you or anyone else sends. Be sure to send the original with hand written signature in ink. They need authenticity. remember this: if soomeone is going to send fake documents, they will not be able to have real signatures & phone numbers etc.... so send real contacts. In our case no one was contacted BUT they have ways to find out if the number is connected to the person assigned to it. In morocco they can find out anything...in morocco. I called every morning early (calif time) which was 3-5 pm morocco time. that was the time the employee's at the consulate told me the consulate general or chief took calls. Most times I got the recording. I did not leave messages there. wait till you get a live person and tell them you want to talk to the chief untill you get the chief. And email the same (it all helps) my husband hand delivered his families/friends actual letters (along with my family & friends fax'd e mailed copies) to the consulate and dropped them off (to be sure they were delivered). I in turn mailed my actual copies and husbands fax'd e mailed copies to the consulate express mail. We Bombarded them from all sides. The consulate see's so many cases of actual fraud constantly! They do theyre best to intercept them and the thing is alot of fraud looks like a real relationship and vise versa. You have to put up a fight as proof sometimes. It sucks but it's necessary I guess. I don't know whay they don't try lie detector tests or lic. therapists.... I swear it seems like some of theyre hired help at the consulate are just jaded old ladies who hate men (kidding) ok I am not helping now am I

haha...my husband said the same thing about the lie detector test.....

Maybe use their death certificate to confirm the last name?

since i'm here in Casa with hubby i've msn my mom to see if maybe she can ck the soc. sec. website for me and see if there is something she can print out for me and fax to me tomorrow...for some reason i can't get into the ssa site from here at all....its unlikely we could have time to get and fax a death cert. but will see what my mom can do from back home

I suggest this about 'the name' -

write up an affadavit letter about it.

take it to the Embassy, during American Citizen Services 'time' - get it notarized.

Whilst yer there (if before HIS second appointment ) ASK the ConOff about the casefile / petition / visa application.

thank you...this is a very good idea since my grandfather has long since passed and my grandmother is very old now and couldn't be of much help with this....i have time to do this on monday...thanks

Ok so the red flags that you see are:

1) The name issue

2) Your 14 year age difference

3) Your marriage the first time you met him in person when you visited for ___ weeks?

How many times have you visited since your marriage? How long have you been married now? Was your SO married before? You said you were married at least one time before.

The name issue should be easily resolved by showing your original birth certificate and the amened one after your grandparents changed your name. The other two are going to be more difficult to overcome. If I were in that situation I would present reasons as to why you wanted to get married right away as opposed to meeting another time or filing a K1. Financial reasons? Religious reasons etc. Also if you can get letters of support from your family and from his that would be helpful.

i've been married 2 times....the first was when i was around 22..he was physically abusive and the marriage didn't last long..i've tried hard to forget that huge mistake...lol...i have a hard time remebering what yr i married and divorced the jerk....and my 2nd husband died in 05...my husband knows all about both...

as for my birth cert....hmm...i was 4 or 5 when this name change occured...my birth certificate stills says my birth name...i did have a social sec. card issued in my grandparents last name tho...what i can't understand is that uscis should have been able to research this before they approved the petition so i'm not sure what the consulates prob. with this is except that my husband wasn't aware of this name

Sounds to me like what you said the consulate is suggesting is that they do not believe the validity of a (your) marriage. So before the petition is actually sent back to the usa (which could take mos btw) gather up letters from your family and your husbands family and any friends you both have, stating that they are in support of your marriage. This will help support that your marriage is part of alot of peoples lives and you are a part of and accepted in each others family's. This is better than pictures. Be sure everyone includes a real phone # and email addy, in case they need to verify the real identities. send all these letters to the consulate by fax and snail mail asap. Do not email them, they won't open them for security reasons. call the consulate and ask to speak to the consulate cheif (if they still allow such requests) and also email the consulate telling them you are sending these documents and to delay the return of your petition. If you are able to speak to the consulate chief, tell him the same thing (be very calm and polite under all curcumstances) and hopefully the consulate chief will take a special interesyt in your case. If he does, he may ask you to address all letters to him directly for review. If you are very effective & lucky your husband will get another interview with someone else, perhaps even the chief himself (my husband was that lucky the consulate chief is a very nice person. My husband and I got our denial turned around in 30 days by implimenting this method in 2008. Best wishes to you.

thank you for the advice....i didn't know about not using the email...i already had my mother and husbands mother send emails of support to the consulate today...they also sent us copies to my email so we can print them out...both have names and addresses and valid phone numbers as well as the relationship to us....my husbands uncle and aunt and sister are each sending us actual written statements of approval, including how long they have known about our relationship and that they have met me and members of my family...i will try on monday to see if i can reach the consulate chief....if possible, could you pm me if you happen to know the name so that i can personally ask for him or leave a voicemail msg to him?

Also...would you happen to know the fax number to the consulate or how i can obtain it?

I strongly suspect that the age difference, and the short amount of time there is what gives them a reason to scrutinize your case more so than normal. But it does seem that the name issue is what set it over the edge. That proof should be easy enough to come up with. But make sure to keep thinking and adding proof of everything. When is the interview scheduled for? And will you be able to gather that proof in time?

i have no idea how to solve the name problem...i was 4 or 5 when my grandparents changed it and since the interview is tuesday i don't think i could get some sort of verification here in time....the CO had a problem with why my husband didn't know about this name and i forgot i had put it on the application so i never mentioned this name to him....he knows about it now tho...i explained it in detail...my husband told the CO that he didn't know about this name and CO tried to trick him by saying several times that i was married with this name and my husband told him no, i know how many times my wife was married...

They rarely give you any reason for the denial. That is why it is important to scrutinize the interview questions and answers as well as your red flags. The fact that you got married shortly after is a red flag, but I don't think that alone would be a good enough reason in their minds to send it back. Is there a large age difference? Does his family know and approve of the marriage? Do you have pictures of yourself with his family? Do you have a lot of pictures of the wedding celebration? Does he have family already in the US? How did you meet? This list could go on and on. This is why it is so important to really put yourself out of the situation and view your case from a third party point of view. You must think like a CO.

we have reviewed the questions that were asked and the only thing i can think of is about one name i had when i was young...my grandparents changed my name to their last name when i was very little and i used it until my first marriage...i completely forgot i had even put the name on the application...the CO tried to tell my husband that i was married with this name and my husband stood firm and said no she was not married with this name...i haven't used my grandparents name in over 20 yrs...that could be one.. possible flag about our ages...close to 14 yrs difference and the one about us getting married when i came here to morocco...those are the only things i can think of....

my husband told me that the CO questioned him for over 1/2 hour but the interview took an hour because the CO left the window and returned at least 5 or 6 times...and the stupid man didn't bother to really take a look at any of the evidence he brought..

i really hope i can get into the interview this time...and if i do i really hope i can hold my temper...lol..but at this point we have nothing to lose...i'm not expecting them to change their minds...but i'll find some way to make sure they know what's on my mind if they deny him..i'll call and call and email every single congressman in the US and do everything i can to see that things are changed at this consulate

Did your husband mention to the CO that you were outside? If so what was their response?

haha...actually, the CO was the one to tell my hubby that i was outside after seeing just 2 or 3 of our pics...he didn't bother to look at the rest of the pics only a few

what i find strange about this refusal worksheet is that no other box is checked...not the 212 or not even the further consideration box...just the sect. 221g..and the statement we will return your petition to uscis...blah blah blah....

What about proof of your time together - plane stubs, passport entry and exit stamps, photos of you with his family etc.?

yes...he took pics to interview of us with his family...i brought my plane stubs from last trip here but he didn't take them last time....

i know one of the flags we had was that when i came to morocco in Jan 09 2 1/2 wks later we got married...but..we had already known each other for a year before this and he took proof of this in last interview

Those are good. Did you get clearance to go with him next week?

sent another email to rep blackberry and waiting for response to see if they can help get me in

What kind of proof did you provide?

lots of emails, video chats, print outs of video chats, phone bills from both of us, emails from my family to my husband, pictures....the CO barely glanced at any of this from what my husband tells me....he had the same CO interview him that interviewed him back in June..he applied for a tourist visa in June to come be with me for my surgery and was denied by this same man who told him he was sorry but to wait for his CR-1 visa....this whole process is utterly ridiculious!!!!

we are preparing to take my life insurance, and written statements from his side of the family stating approval of relationship and how long they have known we are together..things like that

Over an hour? Wow! How was his demeanor?

I was in the US Consulate on 1/14 and overheard a portion of a immigrant visa interview. The CO was a slim, young white guy no more than 25 with a short light brown hair cut. He was assisted by a local Moroccan but the SO of the USC spoke perfect English. The CO told him, "Listen we think all marriages between Moroccans and Americans are based on fraud. So hey". I thought I was going to die.

The SO held his composure and insisted he loved his wife. The CO asked him what was the name of his wife's favorite tv show(duh how would anyone prove honesty here?) and he when he told him, Stargate SG1 the CO told him he never heard of it. Living here in Morocco it only comes on every other hour on Fox Series. LOL So I now he was lying.

After an hour he told the SO that he was granting him a visa and that they would call him within 2 weeks. I literally walked out the door with the SO and he was cursing a storm in Arabic under his breath but his demeanor in front of the CO was polite and contrite.

At one point in the interview the CO asked me to tell him never mind, as the SO was trying to go to his seat and get photos. It was empty in the Consulate so even with the telephone you could hear EVERY word of the convo.

he told me he was very calm after the first question and answered all...the CO tried to tell anas several times that i had been married 3 times before him and my husband stood firm and told him NO my wife wouldn't lie to me and i know exactly how many marriages she had....the only thing that anas stumbled on was when i was a child i lived with my grandparents and they changed my last name to theirs...i honestly forgot that i had put that on the application..so the CO lied to my husband and tried to say i was married with this name....

the CO that u talk about was not the interviewer for my husband but the CO who interviewed him went and spoke to this young CO and when he returned he said denied

Yes, I read your posting and I sent you a message.

Did you read the pinned thread? If possible try to get your husband to tell you every word that was said between him and the CO. Every word.

The road ahead for both of you is very hard but it is not impossible to overcome. Kiyah is good source of info here on VJ. She will offer you very sound advice. Take heed.

Did one of you get your elected official to call the CO on your behalf and get you second interview for next week? Who ever did that was very lucky and the other one should follow suit.

In the mean time try to calm down (hard I know) and get ALL the info from your SO.

yes i contacted my state rep. immediately and they managed to get us a swift reply...i am very grateful and hopefully we will have a better outcome...the CO questioned my husband for over an hour so it will be difficult to remember all but we will try to review as much as possible...the CO that interviewed him was the same one who denied his tourist visa back in june when my husband wanted to come to be with me for my surgery...

Did he receive the 221g? You need to make sure what notes are made. Hopefully it is just AP, but if it is a returned petition there is a topic pinned at the top of this forum that gives you a wealth of information. Also if you look at Kiyah's links it also gives you a lot to go on.

This is a CR1, so it will not expire, you will have to ride it through to the end. You first step right now would be to try and get the petition to stay in Casa. They might lie and say it was already sent back, but this is not immediate. So ask your congressman to assist you to keep it there long enough to give them what information to prove whatever their doubts are are false.

The next thing is to figure out why they don't believe the relationship and provide them (if they will accept it) with whatever proof will ease their doubts.

Just so you know these things can be won. We fought it and won. It took an additional 15 months after the initial interview before he got the visa, so it isn't going to be quick unless you can stop the petition from going back. But yes, it can be overcome.

yes..its a 221g but it states that they are returning petition and application back to uscis...i am here in casa now with hubby...i called my congressmen right away yesterday and they called the consulate right away...the consulate then called my hubby about an hour later and told him to come back next week..there was nothing on the form to say why they denied it...from what hubby tells me the CO was asking another CO what to do...he was going to put us in ap until he spoke to the other CO

Yes it needs to be changed immediately!!

I just sent an email to my congressmans visa dept. to see if they can help to get me into the interview with my hubby...

Is there any reason why Casa won't allow you to attend the interview? That is really the pits.

it is just the policy they have at this consulate for some reason....it should be changed

iam so sorry to hear that just wait until some one have exprince in this and he tell u what to do all what i want say now in the second interview see what faults happend the last time and didnt repeat it let ur husband dont be nervouse and answer the qustions direct and be sure from the answer and i will pray for u god bless u

we thank you so much...i am going to try and get into the next interview...hopefully since my congressman called and got us another interview the consulate will allow me to attend....