KittyPollitt

Wait...are you insinuating it's non-Muslims, non-Moroccans, and/or Westerners who tarnish the pristine non-corrupt systems in Morocco with bribes?

Bribing the police was something that was totally alien to me upon coming to Morocco. My in laws taught me all about it. We stayed in hotels where you left your bribe at the front desk for the desk clerk, and the cop who checked in nightly. Try to bribe a cop in my town in the US, you're going UNDER the jail.

There are laws against Moroccans harassing western women that are used against couples. However, bribes don't always work. One of my BILs was jailed last for having more than one wife without his first wife's permission. His second wife, whom he was with, is loaded, but the jailers couldn't be bribed. He sat there until his first wife gave him permission for the second wife.

It's amazing what a blue passport and some blue dirhams can let you get away with in Morocco..

No one here is going to recommend that you circumvent immigration laws. It's against the terms of service of the site. You can marry her here while she's visiting, but if she enters the US with the intent to marry you, she's got to return to Canada for you to file for the proper visa. If she just marries you while visiting and you apply for her greencard right afterward, she has to prove to them that she had no intent to do so when she entered the US. Lying to USCIS is serious stuff that can result in deportation and re entry bans. Doing it the proper way is the way to go.

Sofiyya is absolutely right, Firtly to make clear the law is based on islamic laws...SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND ANYTHING THAT LEADS TO IT IS HARAAM(prohibited) A bribe might work sometimes and it might NOT work,it depends on the peticular officer... Bribery is haram(generally) in islam unless the person who is paying the bribe, needs to obtain his rights but it is ALWAYS HARAM on the one who asks for the bribe money(Shaikh Uthaymeen Al Kaba'irr)

so with that understood receiving a bribe and paying for a bribe for something that is haram is haraam all together no exceptions

@ sofiyya: How many VJ breakups from Morocco have occured? Because Americans need to be warned about this

Using the HARAM argument generally doesn't work with non Muslims.

All the proof we will send is

chat skype and chat msn and emails in facebook and pics we took last year and wedding pics and new pic 2012 show we celebrate Christmas and new year 2012 together and we took pictur with a big cake have 2012 . and my step mom and her family will send letter proof our love it like 6 letter and the ticket show she travel to me and we are together now so do you think all this proof it enough

You also need to read over the NOIR and specifically address the consulate's reason for denying you. If it was stated in the letter that they believed the relationship to be strictly for immigration purposes, pointing out that your wife is now living with you in Morocco would be a good idea. Pictures can only prove so much. Your wife needs to write a letter addressing the NOIR, point by point, in addition to the evidence mentioned above.

I hope you know how serious this is. If they don't reaffirm your case, your chances of ever immigrating to America are very slim. Good luck.

send them what they need from you ...i 've got the same RFE a couple of months

chat logs ,phone bill calls , letters ....

good luck

What he's got is not an RFE. It's a NOIR. And that's serious stuff. If they want further proof of your relationship, and your wife is living there in Morocco with you, send copies of the stamped pages of her passport from entry, and a copy of her Moroccan carte de sejour. Send photos of you both together in Morocco. And do it quickly. They always give a deadline for the NOIR to be answered, and if they deny you this time, your wife had better settle in Morocco for good.

I met my husband in a Facebook page for a Moroccan rap group I was into. Saw his pic, added him, and stalked him like the devil

I watched my coworker marriage video from Vietnam and saw my future wife preparing the food. Inquired about her and found out she was widower. The rest is history.

That's an awesome story.

What's really serious, and what no one has mentioned, is that if Jeanne fails to appeal, and they DO revoke her petition, USCIS places a misrepresentation flag in her husband's file, making him inadmissible for visa issuance without a waiver. It's IMPERATIVE that she answer the NOIR in time and provide sufficient evidence to dispute it. NOIR is serious stuff.

If he's overstayed for 2 years, you really shouldn't be too concerned about the interview. Regardless of what they think of your case, he will be denied on grounds of inadmissibility. That's when you have to file your waiver. The interview should be short- he has a 10 year ban, you can be sure.

Happy New Year, Sofiyya

I know what's done, but what a man does is judged differently than what a woman does. There's nothing new about that. There's a distinct advantage in knowing what's being spread behind your back about what goes on behind closed doors. This is a place where not much goes unnoticed or unspoken,

Listen, all I'm saying is that if a couple is caught cohabitating before marriage in Morocco by authorities- a few Dh, and you're free to go. Whatever may be SAID by family members about us western women, they have no issues letting us sleep with their sons if it means they get a visa. So basically, Moroccans are "very traditional" until you wave $$ signs in their face, and then they look the other way. That's NOT traditional, that's slimy and dishonest. Try the aforementioned in the UAE, and oh, you're going to JAIL. THAT'S traditional and conservative. I really could care less what some so called "traditional" Moroccans say about me behind my back. You put me in jail in Dubai, THAT gets my attention.

I know Morocco better than you. I've been going there since 1968 when my family settled there, I own a home there and have family there. You can believe what you want, but I also speak Arabic and Darija fluently, so I know what been said about western women who stay with Moroccan men when their two-faced families aren't smiling at you. The number of breakups on this board speaks volumes and says it better than I can.

Ah, but we weren't discussing what's said, but what is done.

The squatting thing would freak me out. Middle Eastern men have their own special "quirks". First of all, my husband will be late for his own funeral if I'm not there to hurry it along. He is ALWAYS running late which drives a type "A" like me insane. He whispers prayers under his breath before entering the bathroom as he believes the bathroom is the devil's home. For someone who thinks the devil lives in the bathroom, he sure spends lots of time in there! He thinks you shouldn't drink or eat cold things if you are sick. He thinks ceiling fans make you ill. There are too many to mention!

I've often said that if every timepiece on the entire continent of Africa stopped working, no one would know the difference. When hubby first got here, the concept of "being on time" was totally lost on him. Still to this day, if I call him and tell him to be ready to leave when I get home from work, I know I'm going to wait a good 30 minutes AFTER I pull up for him to come out to the car.

The whole bathroom thing is why he won't shower after dark. He says that jinn sleep in the drains at night after haunting the world by day, and running water over them after evening prayer will cause you to be cursed. When I lived in Morocco and would shower after dark, his family would meet me on the stairs and pray over me.

They don't want W2's, they want tax transcripts. Free and pretty quick to get them from the IRS.

1.) Washes dishes and bathes in room temp water

2.) Won't shower after sundown

3.) Locks us in the bedroom at night, even tho we live alone

4.) Also measures pants with his neck

5.) Wears pajamas under his street clothes, even in summer

Not trying to be harsh, but only old or very wealthy people get visitor visas in Morocco.

He has no job, and a fiancee in America. So he has more ties to America than he has to Morocco. His chances of getting a visitor's visa are zero.

Excuse me if I offended you or anyone here so sorry Well in regards to sbata I know it well and have been there and surrounding areas of it, that place is horrible, as regards to the poor parts of Morocco which is overwhelming then the nice places, the so called nie places in morocco dont compare to our nice places or nice neighborhoods in America. They built some malls there from whom? because most moroccans cant afford to shop in places like that. Morocco's success and superiority lies in the country's good hospitality and for me it's mosques and the islam unlike the west, in Morocco there isnt much murder and rape and filth,even though it's changing for the worst and some good change

It's no problem. I wouldn't be offended, because you don't know me. I agree with you about that mall. As my husband would say, it's built for "rich Fesi people" lol. The nice places in America are very nice, that's true. What sucks about all the nice houses you see is knowing that the people who live in them are in so much debt, they'll never get out and most are one paycheck away from being homeless. It's an entirely different way of thinking in America when compared to Morocco, and most Moroccans who've never been here have no clue how hard it is to live here. I'd rather be poor in Morocco than poor in America. At least Moroccans don't know any better.

My views are reality,and I don't believe you lived in morocco because if you did ,you wouldn't of made such a stupid comparison between poverty and joblessness of America to the poverty and joblessness of morocco. It's like night and day.... Daaaaaaw!!!!!!

It's moroccans who find clueless Americans like you and then dump them.

I lived in a very poor area of Casablanca called Sbata. Here in America, I live in a very poor, drug infested city with the 3rd highest murder rate in the US. The things I've seen on the streets here in America make Morocco look like a PARADISE. The grass isn't always greener. As for my husband using me, I doubt that, but your own stereotype demonstrates why it's so "expensive and difficult" for people to immigrate legally.

Freedom of Information Act is the only way to get that info. It takes a long time, and often, the consular officer's given reasons are ridiculous and unfounded. Work on building a stronger case with visits and continued correspondence.

Yes and a lot of moroccans have ruined it for honest folks trying to get married in morocco and also have ruined it for people who will have meet with the consulate for a visa. The consulate's warning is 100% correct,honestly has marriage became as simple as an online purchase? Online marriage is garbage!!!!!!! It is better and safer for a person to go and see what's really going on then flirting for a billion years(which is generally haram(prohibited)for a muslim)then making decisions online and not actually knowing the person's history Morocco is full of bribery for ANYTHING,just trusting a court and police report isnt suffice. These two items dont give information on character,and how the family is. Mail order bride/groom ####### is #######!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's sounds to me from what you've been spouting that you have some very narrow and shallow views of the individuals that get involved in long distance/immigrant relationships. Stick to helping clueless Moroccans. I don't think people here need much help from you.

Well chilling in Morocco is very hard unless you a have higher education(master's degree,or bachelors degree) there is very little employment there for an american nor moroccan,then what is the pay? If you come from a well off family then that's good whih is rare(who can facilitate and assist a person's stay then this is good) Poverty is wide spread in Morocco. For husbands and wives I believe the costs should be free like it is for married couples inside the USA(lol). I think a new awareness should be made known to people pursuing this path. Islamically I'd prefer to be in Morocco,but everyone going down this path isnt a muslim.

Poverty and joblessness are widespread here too, genius. At least it's cheaper to be poor in Morocco. I did live in Morocco. Not all Americans are obsessed with owning big cars and big houses. Ask me, and I'll tell you, I'd rather be poor and happy living by my means than poor and miserable and in constant debt.

In Morocco, social norms are still very traditional, for the most part. If a family encourages their son to bed with a woman before marriage, it's a sign of disrespect. The family of a Moroccan woman from a good family would consider it an insult for the man's family to facilitate cohabitation between the son and their daughter. That needs to be said because this board has a high rate of failure, much of it due to a lack of understanding of Arab cultures by women who go there with no guidance regarding how most people think.

We're not Moroccan women. We'll sleep with whoever we damn well please. I understand the culture as well as anyone could, too. I lived there. What goes on behind closed doors in Morocco would blow your very traditional Palestinian mind. That's all I'll say.

Well A next topic should be made from whoever has the best knowledge of what to do when a denial comes about what choices and routes to take, a legal way ,like the after fiance visa,then try to take the spousal way or appeal it by the I-601 or any other route people know and are sure of.

Countless threads on VJ have been dedicated to this subject. It's not a new problem. Do some back reading. As for the government making it cheaper and easier, don't count on it. It's as expensive as it needs to be to support USCIS and the DOS, and it's as difficult as it needs to be to weed out fraud. Does it suck? Yeah, it sucks, but immigration is a privilege, not a right.

If my husband had been denied, I'd be chillin in Morocco right now. I wish I was chillin in Morocco right now. The climate sucks here, politically, financially, and weather wise. le sigh.