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Great adam, but that will just backlash when she see her letter on here

I think the wife should see it before the "best friend"

sorry its late, i shouldnt be mean

I told my wife everything about my X girlfriend, and she told me that I you should of married her.lol, She told me that she was in love with me. And I explain to her everything and why we didn't make it. I honestly told my wife do you get mad when I bring my X in a conversation and she said a little bit, But i'm your wife and I need to listen to you and know everything about you. Sometime I think she just want to get as much information as she can about my past which is ok with me. I got nothing to hide and I'm not scared either what ever is going to happened will happen anyways.

LEAVE HER ALONE! You now have a wife for peete sakes!

alright sounds like the majority of you want me to live her alone, so I'm not going to wish her a happy birthday, but if she gets mad at me I will blame it on VJ members and I will show her the tread, lol:star:

Adam, you really have a lot to learn about women and about life.

Posting that letter was very classless. That was your business and should be kept private.

Good luck with your new wife.

I believe that in a relationship between a man and a woman, one will eventually want to take the relationship further.

My belief is that a man and woman CAN NOT be friends unless there is something major preventing them from taking their relationship further, like one is married or one has a different persuasion.

What you have experienced is your so called best friend actually wanted, or did in her mind, take your relationship further than you did.

I'm trying to do the right thing here, so if you were in my situiation what would you do? or if you were her would you be mad if your best friend didn't wish you a happy birthday?

Yes as everyone has said she is still not only in love with you, she is obssessed with you and is still hoping the two of you will get back together, despite what her letter says. Please be careful and don't have any contact with her other than what is necessary. Don't reply to any of her long letters like the one you posted. That will only further her "hope" for the two of you.

her birthday is coming up soon should I send her a card or just leave her a alone!!!!

I think you know the answer to that one.

I really don't understand girls sometimes, If I do she my get mad if I don't may get upset, so I don't know. Put your self in my situiation and hers too and let me know? thinks

Yes as everyone has said she is still not only in love with you, she is obssessed with you and is still hoping the two of you will get back together, despite what her letter says. Please be careful and don't have any contact with her other than what is necessary. Don't reply to any of her long letters like the one you posted. That will only further her "hope" for the two of you.

her birthday is coming up soon should I send her a card or just leave her a alone!!!!

I need some guidance... Beneficiary received an email saying DS3032 has been accepted and i then paid the IV $400 online since it had the option enabled to pay. After the payment, two days later it showed the status as "paid", i then printed the coversheet and send all of the DS230 related documents to NVC.

Now today evening i received an email with a subject line "IV fee agent letter" stating to go and pay. I went back to the online bill payment section and now it say "not paid" what does this mean? Should i need to go and make the payment again?

I called NVC and they said i was suppose to wait for the IV Bill email - how am i suppose to know that? After they accepted DS3032, NVC is the one who enabled the IV section and i just went and paid thinking that this is what i am suppose to do.

So the customer service person escalated this to her supervisor and told me to call back after 10 days - does this take this long to fix? Anyone encountered this issue before ? I hope they don't lose my orginals m.certificate, police certificate etc that i send with ds230...

I'm having the same exact problem, I called them and they told me the same thing. please let me know what happened?

when I first came to NC I ask couple insurance companies and they told me $1200 and up, I went online to Geigo and got my insurance for $180 for six month, I listed my driving experience from my country and the computer took it. The best advise to new immigrant is try not to talk to a live person, do everything online. the funny part was six months latter I went back to the companies that coted me $1200 and up and asked them that I'm thinking about switching from geigo to them and they told me $200 this time, so what happend after six month? I have no idea. The best advise is try to get in the insurance system some how and after that you will get to pick and chose.

The NVC requires Original documents for marriage certificate, birth certificates and police certificates. As a rule of thumb, these documents must bear the seal from the issuing authority. You must also send a photocopy of each of these documents as well. We received everything back during the interview.

I may have misunderstood your post, but if you have a document that is in Arabic, you will need to send the Original as well as the translated document. If you only send the translation, you will receive an RFE.

Best of Luck...

OK thank you! and I don't have to pay the 70.00 fee right when they activate it do I? I don't have the money at the moment...as I understand, they just wont process it until I pay it...which is fine with me

True, you can't send your AOS document intill you pay the $70 bill, but You can send your DS-3032 anytime.

Everything is right in the world!!! I called and was informed that NO TRANSLATIONS are needed IF the documents are already in ARABIC *and* the interview is in MOROCCO

She also said all originals will be returned to the beneficiary at the time of the interview.

It takes appx 2-4 weeks to review the documents then they are sent to consulate (as long as nothing is missing)....

Then the interviews are scheduled, MAY is already booked up so soonest it would be scheduled if they get stuff now is JUNE .... STILL..... its getting CLOSEEEEEEEE!!!! :dance:

Thanks for the information

ok i'm only going to send the originals that are in French and English and then the translations of the Arabic ones...thanks everyone!

It my cost you an extra $50 but I would suggest translating all documents to english to be safe and avoid any delays.

Also are the originals in the original language (Arabic) required? or the original translations?

I ask a friend he told not to send a the original Mariage certificate(it's not easy to replace). He just send a certify copy

but he send the original court record($4), police certificate(it cost $4) and a birth certificate (50 cent) because they are not hard to get. he also send the the original translation and a photocopy of everything. He didn't get anything back at the interview.

So thing can be different from country to country, person to person, also depend on who hundels your case at the NVC and if they know what they are doing.

Good luck Kanza

I was also wondering if we send the originals or the translations...becuase in my case some of our documents are in Arabic but we are going through France and we have English translations of the Arabic. Send arabic AND/OR translation originals ????

I think Because you are going through France you will Probably need to translate The Mariage certificate only and the rest of the document you can get it from Morocco in French language.

We only sent the originals of the documents in arabic. There is no need to send the translations as long as the documents are in arabic.

for the interview though, I would suggest bringing the originals of the translations. It's better to have everything on hand.

Good to know that there is no need to translate Arabic document. The police certificate is french so that needs to be translated I guess.

Thanks Laura and Ali.

Please find enclosed the following documents:

from my undestanding this is what I need to send with my DS-230

................................

also enclosed are translations of the following documents:

Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary

Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner

Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary

Court record

do I need to send a photocopies of the translations or the original translations or both? thanks?

I called NVC already a few weeks ago to ask about the translations for documents not in ENGLISH (which for us is basically ALL of the documents required to send for our case except for the form DS-230 itself)

They told me quite assuredly that the documents did not even need to be translated if they were in the language of my hubby's country/place of interview - MOROCCO.

:unsure: But even so... I just got that old sinking feeling in my stomach and now i'm reeeeeeeealy hoping i didn't mess up by not sending any translations?? I think i'll be calling NVC again tomorrow and hope i get the same info as before....

Anyone have any thoughts or experience with that?

Please let me know what happened after you call NVC. thanks

Please find enclosed the following documents:

from my undestanding this is what I need to send with my DS-230

Bar-coded cover sheet

2 Passport-sized photographs of the beneficiary

Completed and signed form DS-230, Part 1, by the beneficiary

Completed and unsigned form DS-230, Part 2

Photocopy of the biographic data page of the beneficiary's passport

Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary

Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner

Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary

Court record( its required for Moroccan, they call it sigel adli)

Enclosed are photocopies of the following documents:

Photocopy of the biographic data page of the beneficiary's passport

Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary

Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner

Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary

Court record

also enclosed are translations of the following documents:

Certified birth certificate of the beneficiary

Certified marriage certificate of the beneficiary and the petitioner

Original police certificate(s) of the beneficiary

Court record

do I need to send a photocopies of the translations or the original translations or both? thanks?

I lived in Morocco for three years while serving in the Peace Corps, and I loved it. I liked it so much that I extended my two year commitment by a year.

I agree that Moroccan children are raised to respect their parents and to value family. I think those are wonderful things. But I also value how American children are taught to question things, challenge authority, and to become independent. People in authority, whether it be your parents or the government, are not always correct, and I think it's a good thing that they have to explain their decisions.

I would love to live in Morocco, but based on my experiences with the schools there, the public schools in a very small town, I wouldn't want my kids to go to school there. If I could afford private school, it would be ok, but not public, and definitely not for middle and high school. It's really difficult to pass the baccalaureate, only about 40% of those who take it each year pass it. There's got to be something wrong with the system if either only 40% of kids learned enough in high school to pass the bac. and cheating is pretty rampant.

anyhoot, those are my 2cents. I love Morocco, but there just are not the opportunities there as there are here.

and I love riads too!! and heat would be delightful even in the south. It was so cold in the winter near Marrakech. i used to sleep with fleeces on my whole body, 4 blankets, gloves, hat, scarves, hot water bottle, and still be shivering. yikes!

totally agree, I would like my kids to respect their parents and to value family and also want them to be able ask critical question.

the 40% you were talking about is just a barrier that the government put there(cota) to limit people from going to college, college is free and there is not enough seats for everybody VS the US the average student can get a high school degree then after that you are in your own to pay for college.

I went to public school in Morocco because my dad couldn't afford private school for all his 8 children plus in the 86 when I started school no there was no private schools. the only difference between me and the kids who went to private schools was the French language, they were good at it, that's it but when it comes to math and ph or science in general public schools are better, I remember in high school we use to compete a lot whose going to solve hardest math problems. when I came to the US I went to an engineering school and it was a peace of cake except some courses that requires high level of English.

Its up to the parent, kid himself and the envirment to determine if the child is going to succeed in school.

Your ex still loves you and wants you back, in spite of what she says, and she's even willing to take ALL the blame for what went wrong in your relationship in hopes that your feelings toward her will change. She's still hurting over you. Not sure how classy it was to post such raw, heartfelt, and personal sentiments in a public forum for all to see. I'm sure she never intended for anyone but you to read her letter, much less broadcast it to the world.

There's no friendship to salvage here. For goodness sake, e-mail her all the pictures she asked for, box up her things, get them back to her as soon as possible, and then cut contact with her so you can move on with a clean and honorable start with your new bride and she can have time to get over you, find herself again, and maybe one day find a man who really loves her. It's the healthiest and most respectful thing you can do for all three of you.

This a letter from MY X

Thanks for been honest with me. I did let her come to my house and she got the pictures and all her staff everything she needed. And you right I shouldn't of post something llike this in public, I did it because I wanted to get it out and vent off, I'm sure she won't know about it.

This a letter from MY X

Abdelkrim,

I have been wanting to write this email for weeks but I wanted to give you your space after what happened between us. I wanted to get the rest of the pictures off of your computer that I didn't get last time I was at your house and I have some of your things to give back to you. I hope you didn't delete them because they are my memories of my life and they are important to me.

I wanted to tell you that I understand why we can not be together. I am not mad at you for leaving me. We tried and it just didn't work. I wanted it to be different but it isn't. You are the greatest love of my life. I don't regret any moment we were together. Even though I sent you mean emails before I was just angry and wanted you to hurt as much I as did. You are a wonderful man, I look at other men and think how can I compare them to what we shared. I am just sad that after three years together and knowing that we wanted all the same things, family, children, a home, a great husband and to be happy in life, we couldn't accept our differences and just love each other. That included all of our imperfections as people. I know that I am difficult and stubborn, and I had always hoped that my love for you and all the happy times together would be enough for you, but it wasn't. I am a better person for having been with you. I am going to school and striving to do well. I take better care of myself, working out to be in shape, I am using my crosstrainer and going to my doctors to get healthy. I pay my bills on time and save money. I never cared enough about me or my life before I met you to do all of those things. I was lost before you were in my life but now I appreciate everything and everyone. You gave me the best gift anyone could have given me. I am glad we have spent this time apart, it has given me a chance to clear me head and my heart. I just wanted you to know that I am so sorry that we didn't get make it this last time. I blame myself for not trying harder. I was just so scared all the time that you were going to leave me that I wasn't honest with you about everything. You kept talking about having a second wife and I thought that your family would never accept me not being muslim. Your family is so important to you, I never felt like I was not good enough for you or them. It hurt me everytime we talked about it. It was my fault that we didn't make it. I thought if we were married you wouldn't leave me if I did have cancer or if I couldn't have children or that I wasn't muslim. I just didn't want to be without you that lies were better than the truth. I didn't trust you enough that you would take care of me no matter what happened.

I want the man I decide to spend the rest of this life with to want me just as I am, the good and the bad, to know that I am not done growing as a person and I am working on becoming whom I am supposed to be. To believe that we will become better and better as we grow old together. I never want him to question my loyalities to him or us.

Even if we are not together my love for you has not faded away, I can't stop caring for you. I will never ask for you to take me back but hope that we can at least be civil and hope to be friends one day. You have been my best friend for so long I just miss talking to you and being with you. I know you well enough to know that you are done with our relationship as it was but hope that we can move past all the bad stuff and still be in each others lives. I don't want to waste all the time we have spent together. Will you forgive me? I want only to try a new part in life with you as friends. If you have decided to have nothing to do with me, I accept that, just please just let me get my photos and mail box key. I will forward anything sent to you by mail. I wouldn't do anything to hurt you. It is just that everyone around me for the past two weeks has been telling me what a good mood I have been in and how happy I have been, they want to know why. I know it is because I am ok with everything that has happened and happy with myself. I just wanted to share it with you too.

I will be home saturday if you can let me stop by.

I sent you the pictures to remind you of the good times.

sandra

I'm a little p*ssed off that I was so nice to Adam before. I didn't realize he was the OP (who changed his name) and a real doucher. I'll reconsider who I'm nice to in the future. Damn I wasted my niceness!!!! Ok back to being a b*tch.

ahhhhhhhh the devil rears its ugly head again

To Sandrila and Childress_London, don't listen to Astarte she doesn't like me for some reason, If I share my past with you shouldn't hold it against me. I'm trying to better my self and be good. I got married and I moved on. I don't know why Astrate keep following me in every thread, she reminded me of my X gf.

Please Astrate get off my back? I don't post in your threads, I have no use for you, you are always off topic.

Thanks to everybody for the inputs. please don't add any more comments to this thread, you can shoot me an email any time if u want to.

What part of Morocco? I would want central air and heat (in the north). The language is my biggest fear however.

True language is a big problem at the beginning spatially the Moroccan slang because you can't learn it at school, and it little off from Arabic. I tell you one advantage most Moroccans speak more than one language and that should help.

I might be a little selfish but I told my hubby I'm not going to Morocco unless we have our own house that I get to build (well design lol) and that we will not be seeing the family 24/7...we need date time!

I like the Riyad design like the one in Fez and Marrakech city houses, I like the gardens in the middle of the house. what can of design do you like?

Ladies and Gents

Adam I see that you like to push people's buttons A ki hdo Rabbi a gma

Thats my job at VJ, do you think I'm good at it?

I like to miss with people and drag them to my network, but in my hearth I don't mean anything. I guess that my Moroccan bad sense of humors. And if the ladies pass this test they should be fine with there Moroccan husbands.

So far Kenza is the best so far since she start this thread she didn't say anything mean or bad to me and I think she passed the test and she will have a good successful marriage.

I'm only going to live ones in this life, so I chose whats going to make happy. good luck to you to.

Is that really what you're going to tell Allah (swt) on the day of judgment? Really?

It is quite obvious that his comment was giving Allah the virtual finger.

Wow... that is so sad to me. Muslim or not, people should never do that to God.

1 st of all out of respect lets keep Allah out if this conversation please? I'm not representing Islam or the Moroccan culture, I'm open to all kind of logic and cridical conversations

You girls are mean I didn't know what did I do to diserve all this from you, I know what can of people are you, I'm glad I'm not married to anybody like you and I really feel sorry for your spouses who have to deal with your big mouth everyday.

If I wanted to sleep with 1000 girls in 1 bed thats my business, and have nothing to do with anybody or this topic.

First of all, if you are Muslim, and there is no keeping him out of this conversation....and you know that full well. When you came into this conversation you had not one kind word to say about American women. So realistically who is the mean one? Perhaps you feel sorry for our spouses, but you must keep one thing in mind. Our spouses do not behave like you, therefore they have our 100% respect. I don't speak to my husband the way I speak to you because he doesn't behave like you...he is a true man.

Like I stated, I don't care how many woman you sleep with. But you were the one bragging about it on another thread, and then accused a sister of ours of sleeping with a thousand men. How hypocritical of you. You opened yourself up to this criticism, so take it like a man. You may feel sorry for our husbands, that is fine. But at least our husbands are not bragging about how many women they are sleeping with. Personally I think your wife deserves better. Shame on you!

That was another thread like you said and does not have anything to do with kenza post and if you want to talk about the other thread here you need mine and Kenza's permition.

You need to take it easy and be cool, you going to kill your self. people who have perfect relationship don't exist in this world or at least not so nereuse like you, I think you need a vacation away from your perfect husband, sorry you husband needs a vacation from you!!!!

Best advise to Moroccan men who are Married to western women, do not try to compare your wifes to your moms sisters girls from Morocco? they are just different and its hard to change them. look at the positive side of the American women and live the rest behind.

I ment look at the good thing that the western women is capable of doing and live the rest behind.

whats wrong with that frase? I'm just trying to help based on my experience.