jomegared

Gardasil doesnt even fit the CDCs requirements for immigration vaccinations.

Incase anyone was wondering, the requirement is that it doesnt exist in america so you have to be vaccinated before you come, HPV is EVERYWHERE. Also required is that if its highly contagious then you have to be vaccinated for it, HPV is only contagious by skin-to-skin contact in sexual maners, you dont get HPV by breathing on someone or by holding their hand.

Also posted before, many women and men both are subjected to HPV atleast once in their life and dont even know they have been. This works out of their system and they become completely immune to it after having it once.

Is there a way to test for that?

If she has had it in the past I mean?

I know there's a blood test to test for immunizations and as to what vaccines you already have if you lost your records.

I think it's a titer test, but you may want to google it to double check.

I mean is there a test she can take to see if she has had HPV in the past and now has an immunity to it?

Gardasil doesnt even fit the CDCs requirements for immigration vaccinations.

Incase anyone was wondering, the requirement is that it doesnt exist in america so you have to be vaccinated before you come, HPV is EVERYWHERE. Also required is that if its highly contagious then you have to be vaccinated for it, HPV is only contagious by skin-to-skin contact in sexual maners, you dont get HPV by breathing on someone or by holding their hand.

Also posted before, many women and men both are subjected to HPV atleast once in their life and dont even know they have been. This works out of their system and they become completely immune to it after having it once.

Is there a way to test for that?

If she has had it in the past I mean?

You do have a choice, just as you have a choice to immigrate to this country or not. I'm not trying to be callous, but but the self-righteous indignation I see from so many people regarding a VACCINE, something created to help save people from a disease is a bit much. I don't think anyone sets out at the onset of marriage to have extra-marital sex..... it just happens. I'm not suggesting this is the case with you or anyone in particular, but I think it's naive to say that you don't plan on having sex with anyone else because we all don't, thats why we take the vows to begin with. Now i'm all in favor of people being able to choose what is appropriate for their body. My wife is against the vaccine for her own reasons and I completely support her on that. But lets stop the hysteria about this.

What's hysterical about trying to help my fiancee who does not want to take it?

I think its reasonable to try, don't you? Or are you just going to let your fiance take it and worry about the side effects the rest of her life?

If you don't like the hysteria, then why are you following it?

You can leave whenever you like.

Excluding the why should I get it stance, what issues do you have with the vaccine?

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have already taken the vaccine with little to no issues.

I dont have an issue with taking it, cause i dont have to.

My 26 year old fiancee is extremely apprehensive and does not think that she should take it because of her age.

She went to both her family doctor and the state doctor in Morocco for multiple opinions and tests and each one wrote her

a sworn statement stating they strongly advise her not having to take the drug because of the lack of data in women older than 26.

She is worried.

When she wakes up in a couple of hours, I'm sure she'll post something.

People get HPV through sexual contact. I would presume most people are engaging in consensual sexual contact in most cases. Therefore, the Gardisil vaccine is unlike other vaccinations because you are not contracting this illness by being coughed on our touched by a stranger. You have to engage in sexual contact in order to contract this virus.

More over, in spousal/fiancee visa applications, this vaccine makes even less sense, since presumably the partners are consenting adults and can determine whether they feel they are at risk of contracting the virus from their partner.

Thats just it!

My confusion. I agree that vaccination requirements are necessary for the privilege of coming to the US.

But to require a sexual contact STD vaccine to people who technically are supposed to only be with each other?

This is exactly why I am against this vaccine.

I didn't know cervical cancer was contagious?

Cervical cancer is due to STDs

Exactly my point.

So why is the woman I am going to marry, being forced to take an STD vaccine?

Are we not going to only be with one another? We have both been tested and screened.

So that's my confusion with your logic. If they do a medical exam before their interview, is that not proof enough?

Wouldn't they be tested and screened then?

If what you say is true, then why is the law that they have the shot BEFORE they come to the states, not after.

A k1 visa applicant does not have to have the shot before coming to the states. Although I do understand that certain consulates change this, which violates the USCIS rule, but then why would the law be written like this?

Men get HPV too, and they are thinking of giving gardasil to men as well.

My mom has HPV and was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Yet my mom and my dad got married, after being high school sweethears, and have only ever been with one another.

STD??? Please. How come my dad doesn't have it then?

I don't think vaccines are bad at all.

But remember, I have a choice to take them.

Immigrants do not.

Any immigrants coming from a 2nd or 3rd would country should have to take these vaccines. However, to be politically correct they ask for everyone to do so. Some serious diseases exist in second and third world countries. Australia for example, does not have tuberculosis or even rabies there, to name a few. So their requirements are even stricter. Why? to protect the country.

I didn't know cervical cancer was contagious?

Aluminum is in it as well.

Australian outcry over the effects of the drug.

http://www.medindia.net/news/Outcry-in-Aus...ine-30291-1.htm

You can have side-effects from anything. Some people have serious side effects to codeine or even Tylenol, so should they just stop using it?

Even a simple flu vaccine can give you side-effects. The question is, how many people do not get any side-effects. Furthermore, how many women's lives will it save.

I couldn't agree with you more, but what about my fiancee? She doesn't have a choice in the matter.

Shouldn't she be able to decide whether or not they take that risk?

What about the effects of the drug 25 years from now?

The point is, this is a thread for those of us against it.

To try and do something about it.

Are you going to call and help?

I posted a link to this thread in the canada forum cus I know a lot of people there would be interested in this information. Hope you don't mind!

The more the better.

I just hope people call and just ask them to vote no.

safe? its full of mercury and doctors in canada are starting to refuse to give it to kids.

Sounds like typical vaccine paranoia. Thanks to a couple of idiots falsely delusional about the cause of Autism, vaccines are made out to be some sort of negative.

I don't think vaccines are bad at all.

But remember, I have a choice to take them.

Immigrants do not.

safe? its full of mercury and doctors in canada are starting to refuse to give it to kids.

Not a big fan of fish, are you?

Aluminum is in it as well.

Australian outcry over the effects of the drug.

http://www.medindia.net/news/Outcry-in-Aus...ine-30291-1.htm

Anyone actually had to give it?

###### spring-loaded vaccine! Made me jump.

Ive read that. They actually load it with a spring. Crazy.

Wow thankyou for PMing me this information! I seriously hope the vote goes and they REMOVE it from the list!! Im in AOS right now minus my second dose of gardasil, I do not want the rest and I cant even aford the rest!

Im gonna pray and hope to gosh that they remove it.

Well good luck to you. It would be great if you could voice your concern of it to any of these people listed above.

Just call their office, #'s on google, and leave a message. Quick and brief. Vote down the Gardasil!!

Plus, they are discussing the cost at the meeting as well. So even though you have taken it, and not had any problems,

maybe you can help bring the cost down!

I don't believe she's able to bypass the vaccine by way of age until 27, if I'm not mistaken. So that wouldn't help her.

I've been looking everywhere since I came across that article, hoping to find word.... and yet, nothing.

I found the latest from the CDC.

Please take a look at this thread I started.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=223340

Ladies and Gentlemen!!

Please take a look at the names of the people who will decided whether or not you get an extremely untested and fairly new vaccine injected into the immigrant women of the world.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/acip/down...genda-oct09.pdf

and if that link doesn't work, try this....

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/acip/meetings.htm

and click on MEETING AGENDA OCT 21.

The names of presenters are listed, and a vote is being cast.

I myself am going to personally call and if I cannot talk to them, I will leave messages about my objections to Gardasil being forced upon immigrants.

Here is the list of members on the board voting.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/acip/members.htm

I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU GET ON THE PHONE to your USC and have them call these people and lodge complaints. (If you are against this of course)

I will call every single one. Please people let's try to organize. If your willing to call, post your experiences here. We have one week.

So she went to the doctor today, her family doctor not the consulates doctor, and was strongly advised not to take the shot.

She is going to another doctor, I think a state doctor, to get a second opinion. The doctor said she would be writing a sworn statement that because of her age and medical history,

that she should not take the shot. Hopefully that's enough. Either way, she is refusing it at the medical exam. *Sigh* But its her body, her choice.

To help, I am contacting my senator and having them on the line the day of the interview to remind the consulate that according to the law, the vaccinations are NOT required for passing the interview.

Well see how it goes. I spent an hour or two just now reading your other posts on Gardasil Danu. We are going to fight this, and I have a senator willing to help. Fingers crossed, the next month is going to be a battle royal!

Currently, immigration law requires that immigrants have proof of vaccination against―

* Mumps

* Measles

* Rubella

* Polio

* Tetanus and diphtheria

* Pertussis

* Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)

* Hepatitis B

* Any other vaccinations recommended by CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices

Unfortunately, that right there is the kicker. As of right now, Gardasil is on the recommendations list for our age group by CDC's ACIP.

However, for anyone wondering (as I myself am paying close attention to the outcome), there has been a rumour running about that CDC is going to be publishing a new set of criteria soon that leads to vaccinations finding a spot on that list. Whether or not that'll lead to good news... hard to say. Interesting to watch for, at least.

Mentioned most recently on ABC News: Roadblock to U.S. Citizenship for Immigrants.

The CDC is expected to publish new criteria to determine which vaccines should be recommended for U.S. immigrants in about a month, according to spokeswoman Christine Pearson.

I know the thread is a couple of days old, but I figured I'd add the information for those interested, at least.

Well, Im still watching it closely. My girl wont take it, for all the reasons Im sure you lady's dont want to either, but the link you just posted said the FDA was putting out a new list next month. That was dated Sep 11th, and its the 13th now. So anyone with a keen eye for research let us know if you find anything.

Right now, my girl is 25 and she went to her family doctor and was strongly advised because of her age (26 next month) not to take it.

If the doctor writes a certificate stating this, is she still going to have to take it to get the visa?

Im really sorry to hear about your interview. But to offer another perspective after reading your story here is what I find.

Please do not get offended, as I am only playing devil's advocate, and am only trying to help. I could be COMPLETELY OFF BASE, but here it goes.

If I am interviewing a person and they hesitate during a question, I am immediately suspicious. It does not matter why because the question is being avoided.

The consular officer sounds as though they were intentionally vague about the word romantic. In my opinion it doesn't mean a damn thing. All he had to do was answer. You state that he was asked the question multiple times throughout the interview. Correct me if I am wrong, but he failed to give a concrete answer. To me, that is suspicious. When you love someone, you don't have to think about it. I believe this is what they are looking for. Not whether or not you've had sex, not when he started making kissy faces, not when the love notes happened.....sincerity.

In any other situation that is not wrapped around the fear, anger, and frustration of a visa interview a person could answer this question because the answer does not matter. It is a chance to reflect. And if I don't see that reflection, or sincerity, I don't approve a visa. Period.

All of this is earth shattering, and I am really sorry to hear about your case. I wish you the best of luck in the future and don't worry, although your case may be sent back, I have faith it will return only to be approved.

We were approved Aug 26th and got a Nov 12th interview.

This is exactly the sort of thing that makes me feel really frustrated about the whole visa process.

As you said, jomegared: what is recommended for the general public is forced upon us. And what can we do? Sure, we can apply for a waiver, but of what I've heard, these are pretty difficult to get, can lengthen the timeline of visa applications by quite a bit, and are not guaranteed. Plus, they might even cause the visa application to be denied!

Other than that, we can wait until we're of an age where we aren't forced to take them (fortunately, I believe that's where I'm at) or we can simply just take them. But I don't think it's all that fair at all.

*sighs*

My fiance has sent me over his affadavit of support and evidance now. I'm just waiting for it to arrive. Though, with the postal strikes here, I'm hoping that it's not going to get lost or delayed.

I'm also waiting for his letter of intent to arrive (which was posted yesterday) so that I can again write to the embassy about extending the validity of our visa petition.

No idea yet when I'm gong to be ready for the interview. Still waiting for this letter from my doctors. That's being held up because my old doctors haven't even sent my notes over to them (even though they've had three weeks to do so now!) They're supposed to have sent them today, so I'll probably chase that up later in the week and see what's going on.

Once I get my medical letter, I can schedule my medical. Once I have a medical date, I can inform them I'm ready for the interview (assuming papers all come from my fiance by then).

Bah, I hate this waiting.

I'm feeling ill today, so I'm really missing him.

Hang in there FrostyMist, and just remember that all the pain and suffering now is what you are building the foundation of your relationship on. I keep telling my girl that a couple months, who knows, maybe even are year are worth the distance and suffering if in the end we are granted a lifetime. Cheer up girly. You're almost done!!

Side note, I hope to see you guys and gals rally behind immigration reform next year!!

So according to the state departments website. It is not required for non-immigrant visa applicants to take the HPV shot before the interview, or even have it before they enter the states. It ONLY matters for the AOS.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/ty...types_2994.html

It isnt, but I would check with the embassy in her country, ours will not issue the visa without all the required vaccines done as even though this is a non-immigrant visa, its one with immigrant intent. Its the same reason a lot of consulates check for 125% of the poverty limit when all you need is 100% for the 1st stage..because it is generally accepted you will be doing AOS and they don't want to get you down there and then go..uh...sorry, you don't meet the AOS requirements get out! Not all embassies require the full vaccines prior to the visa issuance but a lot do so I would definately email them to check.

Yea, you're absolutely right. I then later read that consulates have ultimate authority over the issue.

So according to the state departments website. It is not required for non-immigrant visa applicants to take the HPV shot before the interview, or even have it before they enter the states. It ONLY matters for the AOS.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/ty...types_2994.html

It depends on the embassy, ours will no put you through without having all the required vaccines. If the consulate drs are saying that then thats probably the case at your consulate too. It says between 11 and 26 but shes 26 until she turns 27, so far most of the posts I've seen like this they don't age you out till you hit 27. As for the 1 vaccine, its true from what I have seen that most times people only need to have 1 vaccination as long as they can use the vaccine record for their AOS, I'm not sure if you got RFE'd for a new medical if you would need to have more, but you only need 1 shot to pass your visa interview. I was already thinking about the shot before I found out it was a requirement so I decided to just finish the series.

Well, that's why I want to SEE the law that says its required. If it says between the ages, she can opt out at 26.

At least that is what one of the drs. was saying. I hope.

Oh for how it ended up on the list, anything that is recommended to the general population (doesn't have to be required just recommended) ends up on immigration requirement lists. She either needs to age out, take 1 dose or fill out a waiver based on..moral grounds? I think thats what it was...but that has a chance to be denied. Those are the only options really. I would check with them to see if she ages out at 26 or 27 and then take steps from there.

Let me try to find you the law that did that...it was like 1999 or something that they introduced it.

This is exactly our moral problem. She is devastated that she is being forced to take this.

What is recommended for the general population, is forced upon immigrants.

What a crock of sh**. If they are forcing it upon my fiance, she might not do it. She will wait a year.

I really hope we can figure this out. I cannot go any longer. Who knows though, maybe she'll do the first shot, but from the sounds of it she is VERY against it.

This is killing us.

It depends on the embassy, ours will no put you through without having all the required vaccines. If the consulate drs are saying that then thats probably the case at your consulate too. It says between 11 and 26 but shes 26 until she turns 27, so far most of the posts I've seen like this they don't age you out till you hit 27. As for the 1 vaccine, its true from what I have seen that most times people only need to have 1 vaccination as long as they can use the vaccine record for their AOS, I'm not sure if you got RFE'd for a new medical if you would need to have more, but you only need 1 shot to pass your visa interview. I was already thinking about the shot before I found out it was a requirement so I decided to just finish the series.

Well, that's why I want to SEE the law that says its required. If it says between the ages, she can opt out at 26.

At least that is what one of the drs. was saying. I hope.

Sooo.....Gardasil anyone?

What a messed up deal this is.

My fiance turns 26 two weeks after the interview.

We are trying anything and everything to not have her take this, "necessary vaccine."

Has everyone else takin this vaccine?

I'm fortunate - being over 29, I don't have to have this one.

Hm, you'd have to look this up to confirm whether I'm right or not, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that you don't *have* to have the vaccines done before the K1 interview. They're needed for adjustment of status, which is why people tend to get them done before the K1 interview. Maybe you can look into it and see if I'm right? Perhaps your fiance doesn't have to have it at all if she's almost 26?

Yeah this is really starting to stress us out. Especially because we both know that this drug was rushed to market for profit, not to help women.

I cannot find the information stating it as a federal mandate, or a vaccination requirement. If anyone has any information on this, I really could use some help.

She turns 26 2 weeks after the interview, so if the mandate says BETWEEN the ages of 11 and 26 or whatever the ages are, we can argue that it is not necessary.

Other people have said they only need the first shot for the interview, but you are the first to question its validity before the interview. When she called the embassies recommended doctors, they all said she would need it, but I am not convinced.

Any help is always appreciated.

I hope your all on your way.

Sooo.....Gardasil anyone?

What a messed up deal this is.

My fiance turns 26 two weeks after the interview.

We are trying anything and everything to not have her take this, "necessary vaccine."

Has everyone else takin this vaccine?

We had to change our address as well.

She just emailed the embassy and that was that.