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Thanks. That's what i thought when I went to the bank with her. The bank employee said the SSN card had to be in the married name. I know a bit about finance laws and regs and disagreed but my knowledge is over 10 years old and thought it had changed. Now that you posted this you got me thinking I should have checked that more thoroughly. Sometimes employees state their policies are law when they are simply the financial institution's policies. I scheduled an appointment with my other bank for next week to see what they say. I'll post what happens afterwards.

Thank you. I did not consider "correct" to be a name change. Clicked on it and saw what you are referencing

That is what you need to get a social security card. Not what you need to make a name change.

I'm searching for this section and don't seem to be able to find it. I copied and pasted it into a search engine and it couldn't find it. If you still have it easily available could you post a link? I'd like to read the full section and see which RM is referenced. Thanks

As stated we want her married name to be used and do not wish to change names on EVERYTHING again. Of course I could change every account and add her maiden name and then change everything again when she has her green card. That is not the point. Also as stated, I found the requirements on the SSA website for name change and NOWHERE does it say anything about immigration status. The link that mam521 posted was for applying for a Social Security card. Application for a new social security number and a name change are different things. Everyone saying I have to wait may e right but no one has shown the actual procedural documentation of why that is. Following the actual guidelines stated on the SSA website for a name change is sensible. Asking for SSA to show why they are following some other guideline than what they post as their own Program Operation Manual System with reference numbers is a reasonable request. Using the requirements of application as opposed to the requirements stated for a name stage is illogical. They may do that but that doesn't make it reasonable. I will try. I will probably fail but that doesn't change the fact that unless there are other POMS guideline which state different requirements than the ones I found that they are following actual rules. "Because we say so" is not a rule. Even if they get away with it because they are the government. I will report what happens after my next appointment. Some of you may take satisfaction in them not honoring their own procedures and will be happy to say or think " I told you so" but that doesn't make it right. Nothing in that link discussed name changes of an EXISTING card.

Thinking about this

It's been over a year since you posted. What ended up happening? BTW, Chief, you were 100% about not trying to persuade bureaucrats like that. I had a similar though less antagonistic clerk yesterday and posted a thread. I intend on trying again. You might be interested in the post I made. I would like to know what ended up happening with you though. Thanks

why? According to the procedures I foun of the SSA that is not required. If it is there has to be some kind of documented procedure where that is the case. I know getting accurate information from the government is difficult but what I found does not state anything regarding immigration status Why do you feel that what i found on the SSA website is incorrect?

That isn't what the Social security procedures say. If you have any proof that this is procedure I'd love to see it. If not, you are merely repeating someone else's opinion or forming your own . I posted the procedure according to the SSA themselves. If there is a contradictory procedure, again, what RM is that?

My fiance' arrived in October on a K1 visa and we got her a social security card in her maiden name. They issued the card with the following statment : VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION I only mention this to supply all information. She is NOT trying to work. I was told by Social Security online she needed ID and the marriage cert. That was it ( Yes, I mentioned she was NOT a US citizen and here on a K1 visa) We made an appointment to change her name after we were married. The Clerk asked for the marriage cert and ID She gave the clerk the marriage cert and her Filipino passport. He then wanted to see immigration documentation. She gave him the I-94 which had expired Jan 5. We were married December 5th He said he could not process the name change because her immigration form was expired. I explained the k1 visa required marriage within 90 days which she did and this was the earliest appointment SS had. I also explained the marriage cert proves she honored the rules of the Visa and either way it was irrelevant because she already had a Social Security card and we were just updating her name change. He said a social security card does not prove immigration status. I said , I know. This has nothing to do with immigration status. Simply a name change due to marriage for her existing social security card. He repeatedly stated since the I-94 was expired she might be here illegally so he could not change the name. After further discussion I decided to leave and do research and make another appointment If you are curious why we want this done before AOS we want to have her social security reflect her new name and not wait until her AOS because I want to add her to my financial accounts, open a joint checking, get her health insurance, drivers licence etc in her married name. If I wait until AOS then we have to redo all of those documents and worse new checks etc Either way according to the Social Security website all that is required to change the name is ID and an original marriage certificate. Attached are screen shots from the Social Security website showing requirements. I have made another appointment at the Social Security Office to try again. This time I will bring printouts from the Social Security website and argue my position more adamantly. Logic seems to be on my side. But this is the government so logic may not apply., She has a social security card. She got married and wants to simply change the name on her existing social security card. NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE ; like the ability to work etc Social Security website states to change the name she needs ID and marriage certificate. NOTHING is stated about immigration status According to the SSA Program Operations Manual System (POMS) RM 10212.025 Evidence of Name Change based on a US Ceremonial Marriage & RM 10212.055 Evidence Required to Process a Name Change on the SSN based on Marriage all she needs is her ID and marriage Certificate. If I am missing something I would appreciate what RM of the SSA POMS shows otherwise. Thanks

Sure seems like there is nothing for them to ask for more than that. Since there is nothing on the FBI history report for them to inquire about. If by some strange reason there is, the answer is simply what you stated: There is no record because it was completely expunged by the state. The state doesn't even have a record of it. It is as the FBI history shows. as if it never happened. Good Luck

I put it on my 129F and went to the local court where it was to get the record which was a requirement for the 129F as you know. The 129F states to list any arrests even if they were expunged. The Philippine government is asking for a National police report which for the US would be The FBI history. You stated there is no record of your arrest in the FBI files. So, it seems to me that you just supply your FBI background check and there is no reason to mention it.

I found this forum searching for info on CFO and whether a "police background check and freedom to marry certificate" were required. There was some conflicting info and I said once my Fiance' went through the CFO in Manila I would start a thread and explain her experience. Especially regarding the FBI background check In a nutshell. It is now a requirement to provide a criminal background check. I also made an affidavit that I was free to marry but that was not asked for by the interviewer. This was her experience: She was notified she could pick up her visa & passport 09/15/2025 She went into Manila early the next day and picked it up. Once she had it she could go online and sign up for the CFO. There were many spots open and she was able to sign up for the very next day She arrived at 0640 and only 1 other person was there ahead of her. At 0700 there were only 3 people including her Registration was 0700-0830 Seminar was 0900-1030 Interviews went from 1100-1300 She was told they would be taken in the order they registered that morning but for some reason she was literally the last person interviewed. The interviewer was a woman. The conversation was in Tagalog and some English. After exchanging pleasantries her first question was literally about the FBI background check. She even used the term FBI She asked " Can you give me the documents of FBI" That's how she phrased it. I had a DUI in 1999 and the interviewer then asked for my court documents on that She then asked for a copy of my Passport Bio page. Then my fiance's Cenomar (Certificate of No Marriage Record) Then she asked for my fiance's passport Then she asked to see proof of relationship which my Fiance had a great deal of in photos and receipts etc The interviewer gave these a cursory look only. Spent less time on it than reading my FBI report. Then she started asking more basic questions " How did you meet? " How many weeks did he vacation here?" " What is his job" " What did he study in college?" The interviewer at some point asked for my " 1040" My fiance couldn't find it in her records because I had given her The IRS transcripts and she was being literal searching for the 1040 in her document files. The interviewer than asked other questions and ignored my financial info which surprised me Other questions asked: " What would you do if you need help?" " What to do in the US incase of an emergency and have problems? " Who would you contact to ask for help?" She answered that she would call 911 and go to the nearest Philippine Embassy if need be. In the seminar they told her that and to contact the CFO but she forgot to say the CFO part and the interviewer was okay with her answer "What are your future plans together?" After that, the interviewer told my fiance " Congratulations" 'That was it and she was emailed her CFO immediately and is now free to travel here. As stated earlier the main reason for this thread was to discuss if an FBI background check is required now and since it was literally the first question asked I'd say it is required In earlier threads it has been discussed how to get it but I will just give the basics for anyone reading this thread in the future and wanting to know. The FBI calls them Identity History Summary Checks. I'm not going to be too specific because things can change but here are the basics: Google for FBI background checks and make sure you click on an actual FBI website NOT some private google sponsored ad. Here's a link to the FBI FAQ on background checks. https://www.fbi.gov/how-we-can-help-you/more-fbi-services-and-information/identity-history-summary-checks/identity-history-summary-checks-faqs If you do the electronic method you will get it much faster. For me it was within an hour of the fingerprints. I got fingerprints scanned at the Post office. The FBI website has a link to search for Post offices near you that supply this service. Good Luck to all!

I for one am happy they are making it harder. 6/10 to pass is ridiculous

That's a nice way of stating it. Hope he listens OP, You need to calm yourself down or you will make things worse. As far as accounts go: Generally speaking you can not add your spouse to financial accounts. They need to close and transfer to a new account You can add her as a beneficiary. Some institutions require a social security #. Others do not. You can also check with your credit cards and get her on them as an authorised user. This is a good idea anyway because it helps establish her credit history time in the US. The credit bureaus then consider her having the account as long as you have had it I've been told Something else that might add to the proof is to see if your state allows you to add her name to the registration of your automobile. I would also look into opening a small Life Insurance policy with her as beneficiary and of course if your job offers that or any other benefits to get her name on anything you can as a beneficiary.