pedroh

Yes guys, police are dealing with scumbags not choir girls.

Perhaps they should have offered to wash his car.

guess u didn't read he was innocent.. how u know he was a scumbag? maybe because he was latino? I guess u share the cops point of view then

this guy wasn't a criminal, but a suspect, he was even let go, after they beat the sh!t out of you??

real nice

nice...

can't beat the phrase

"I'm going to beat the f---ing Mexican piss out of you homey. You feel me?"

-Pedro actually has a degree in French

thx ardillita

ouch marc, that hurts...

but, even though u got already pwned.. I can answer your question, even if I didn't know french, I'd be studying it, I wouldn't be complaining, OMG they need at least trilingual people to get this job, wahh wahh. Guess what, if there were an 'invasion' of whatever country, I'd be learning that language if I knew the demographics of the country would change

again, I don't see the problem of having a skill.. I rather see a problem of people being angry because they think they don't need certain skills, and are angry at those who do have it. Only in America I guess is not a good skill (for certain people) to learn more than 1 language

The 'market' is in error as I said. If the government were doing its job, the 'market' wouldn't be there. It's a false market...

state-controlled market? what would be the 'fix'? "dear customers, we no longer have bilingual customer service in this location, please, go learn english first, then you can buy our stuff"?

If the illegals and those refusing to assimilate weren't here to begin with we wouldn't have this problem.

The problem is a government not doing its job.

The idea of expecting a nation to adjust to you is completely absurd.

if the market seems it appropriate, they won't cater to bilingual people.. let the market's invisible hand decide

Your post starts off erroneous.

It's the Hispanics that should be adjusting/adopting the American way of life, not vise versa.

again, in that case, guess what, I just stole a job from an American girl when I got hired, I saw it right there. They needed a bigger pool of bilingual people than, as I call, monolingual.. do you think the companies are that stupid to say, oh, shoo shoo, you don't speak english, we don't want your money??

go tell the market that we shouldn't cater to spanish-only people, lolo, and how they don't want their spanish speaking dollars...

I'm not saying it's right that the population has shifted to such an extent where there's non-english speaking people becoming a stronger minority in this country, but, whining about not getting a job because you don't have a certain skill is not the right thing to do. Srsly, getting mad at someone because they have a skill that you don't?

so not adapting to the new demographics of the country, and acquiring certain skills to have a competitive advantage in a market where more than english is required, is stealing a job? in that case, I've stolen jobs from a lot of americans lately...

I know, fair or unfairly, the demographics of this country have changed, but, whining about jobs that will have preference for bilingual employees, will really not do much, the market rules that. if theres a certain market that doesn't require language skills, then hey, exploit that, if not, adapt, study, and advance

wow.... thinning the herd..

just wow

the problem is that censorship in the USA is ridiculous to a certain extent. While I agree some videogames should be sold to over 18 people, specially the ones with violence and gore, some other measurements of censorship are ridiculous. OMG! an ####! omg, boobs! the morbosity of the human body in certain aspects is ridiculous and prudish.

but to the videogames issue. I think there are games not appropriate for younger audiences

he needs the latino vote again. With him, the deportation % increased a lot compared to the Bush administration, and many latinos are not very happy about it..

but nice try.. ohh the poor white man, suffering and pain

The Constitution is for Americans, not for Mexicans wishing to enter willy-nilly as they see fit.

When people need to resort to extremities and unrealistic scenarios, you know they have no real argument.

im talking about the mexican-americans or legal aliens who would get affected by this, not the illegal aliens

Well through the employer route, there would be very little deportation. There would be migration, either to mexico or canada.

yup.. the root of the problem with illegal immigration, is the employers who hire them

The big deal is that he is a citizen, and as such, not required to carry ID, only identify himself to authorities if asked. The big deal is that even though he is a citizen, would stand a good chance of going to the police station, in custody, to have to establish his status. This law in essence treats all hispanics as if they are illegal.

yup, that's what would happen in a RL scenario. I wonder where all the tea party supporters are, they should be protesting against this law, since it violates the constitution, I thought they were all about upholding pure constitutional values, for everyone. Not do so something for the greater good even if some groups get affected by it.

From every angle, this law is inefficient and will add a great burden to the local police force. There's no reason to give the police force more things to do, when they're not prepared for. Wasn't Arizona that broke that they had to sell or rent space in public office buildings? how are they going to afford the increase in papework and whatnot, if they say they are going to treat everybody the same, and not ask extra questions or ID to certain groups?

SO WHAT? They'll ask him for his ID, he'll produce it and he'll go on his merry way. What is the BFD?

the BFD would be that he would be asked for identification for the only reason that he talks or looks a certain way. that IS A BFD

If some has been in the US for centuries and doesn't speak English, well then they are a dumbazz.

the US never made an effort to 'educate' the newly acquired territories during the mexican-american wars, they were never told "people of town A, now we're part of the USA, so we have to speak english" why would they assume they had to do otherwise? even non-latino people born in those states, some of them are fully bilingual, they know the heritage of those states is mostly Mexican, even though it's part of the US

I didn't say anything about "probable cause", but now that you mention it it isn't as clear cut as is being made out.

Does the officer ask everyone he stops/arrests for proof of legal status? If he does then he's adding a lot to his and the departments workload and red tape (at a time when a lot of people are concerned that the police are doing more paperwork and less actual policing). If he only asks that question of the people he suspects of being illegal (hispanic looking people, for example) it opens the police department up to accusations of institutional racism.

yup, the problem is not asking for ID.. is who they are asking to. I also see a very inefficient process if they want to ask everyone for ID, which makes me think they will target certain people, which in this case as you call it, it's institutional racism

But these illegal aliens are NOT Americans and such those principles and rights don't apply to them, does it? They've broken the law and now you want to extend the privileges/rights of the same country's law they have so blatantly violated without any regard whatsoever?

What I think will happen is that if this law does get enforced, illegal aliens will start moving out of Arizona into the neighboring states and then those states will also enforce these strict draconian measures.

There's a reason things have gotten to this point and that is because illegal immigration is such a big problem in the U.S. and needs these drastic measures.

Being politically correct isn't going to solve real-world problems.

it's easy to say being PC isn't going to solve problems, when you're not gonna be affected by it..

as Rob and Mel was saying. If you know the demographic history of the border states, Mexican heritage people have lived there for centuries, way before the US made Az part of them, there was never a 'speak english' plan to make everyone bilingual, there are literally hundreds of families that for generations have only spoken spanish, who live in towns that only speak spanish, and have mexican customs. Blame them? why? they arrived first, and they were never told to do otherwise. They would be the perfect targets for this law, in which probable cause becomes a bologna sandwich, and anyone having a bad day can abuse it

No, you can't tell by simply looking at someone but my guess is, out of those three, the citizen and the LPR will have no problem proving their status when called upon to do so simply by carrying a color photocopy of the biographic page of your passport or your Green Card or whatever valid visa you're on (F-1, B-2) etc. I still don't see the big deal. Yes, unfortunately, Hispanics and Asians might get called upon to produce ID more than a white, blond, blue-eyed chick would be asked to, but hey, that's how the cookie crumbles. If you wanna live there, you gotta follow the laws.

As for the illegal alien, if this law gets even one of them deported, then more power to it!

I was in the U.S. for four years on a F-1 student visa. I always kept a copy of the visa in my wallet. I am Indian, brown-skinned, could easily pass for a Mexican and have often been mistaken as one. I also plan to keep a copy of my Green Card in my wallet and will produce it when called upon to do so. It seems to me only illegals need to fear this law. If you're a legal alien or a citizen, there's no need to get your panties up in a bunch. Produce your ID, and you'll be on your way.

no, that's not how the cookie should crumble, people want you to think it's like that.. but assuming that is OK to do it against certain people, just goes against all the american ideals of freedom and equality.. why not just put a barcode on asians and latinos?

So asking for an identification document is now a human rights violation?

No, asking for ID to CERTAIN people (which is what the law would cause) is a human rights violation

so is Az gonna rewrite the constitution? and remove the 4th amendment? or rewrite it as "well, the 4d amendment only applies to:"

I still fail to see how are they going to 'identify' probable illegals, by the language? the looks? just randomly approach people and ask for ID? then, why not get a state ID for everyone?

ah.. nice to see that the trigger happy people still roam in VJ...

well.. it's not a fact of what he uses to edit... but the stupidity that comes out of those mouths who are saying things 'do not retreat.. reload'... in no fukcin planet that is a metaphor to sports, or voting, unless you use gun lingo for your everyday life, which in that case, means you have problems anyway...

Palin said that, so there's no excuse to blame editing... and there's a big difference between egging a bus, and throwing bricks at representatives, or talking about guns and uprising.. gosh

We met on a mutual interest website/forum *coughs*; 'knew' of each other for 3 1/2 years before we exchanged the first pm. We will be getting married summer 2010.

aj stfu

fuсk you!

I'm gonna go get my sawed off shotgun, and go find you fukcer

and of course my band of cholos