Calisbest510786

Hi everyone,

just wanted to give everyone an update that my fiancé’s case is still in administrative processing. I’m guessing we passed the FPU investigation but there’s no real way of knowing. The only response from the embassy is that it is under going “necessary administrative processing.” 
 

I’ll be sure to let everyone know the final results when we get word. Thanks for all the feedback and support.

24 minutes ago, Penguin_ie said:

*****  three threads on the same issue merged.  Please do not post more than once on the same/ similar issues, it is considered spamming.  If you have more oinfo or follow on questoion, post them as a reply to this thread instead. ******

Hey, no worries. Thanks for merging them. New to VJ so not aware of the rules or how the posts are viewed.

21 minutes ago, SteveInBostonI130 said:

Hi,

 

I think this is the third topic you started regarding your case.  I understand you are anxious and want some re-assurance.  But your case is one of the more unique/unusual ones here.

 

 

It is difficult waiting to hear back from the embassy, but you need some patience.  Keep on top of it by checking your status on CEAC and contacting the embassy every few days.  It would actually be helpful if you could let us know how your case resolves.

 

I wish you the best and hope you get a positive outcome.

 

Hi,

thanks. I was looking for some experience specific to Kabul embassy but I understand your point. I am new to the platform and not sure how it is being posted. 
 

There have been updates 2 days in a row. I will be sure to provide a status update to all once there is a decision. In hopes that it helps others..

Hi VJ members,

anyone have experience with Kabul Fraud Protection Unit in Afghanistan? Any positive outcomes? 

Thanks

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2 hours ago, Villanelle said:

Thanks @jan22. I thought the wording used of FPU was odd and didn't pick up on this is related to visa processing.

 

I just read the other thread and Im sorry you are going through this @Calisbest510786. There is unfortunately very little you can do about this. Im not sure exactly why some people get caught up in these types of situations- where they are pushing fraud and demanding confessions. There was another user who was recently put in a similar situation for no apparent reason. Perhaps it's because you are all good people and they want to try to keep good people around?? I really don't know.

 

Any way I  would expect your case to get stuck in an AP status for a bit of time. They may do a home visit and attempt to speak with neighbors and colleagues. (To verify the child's age and marital status) It's probably best to not worry excessively and I wouldn't specifically direct those who may be questioned on how to answer if they are questioned. Think about it like it is an investigation after a crime is committed like you would see on law and order. You don't want to seem like you are interfering or directing others on what to say. 

 

The best thing you can do is make sure everyone in their life is aware of what is going on as is appropriate. They may do another interview as well.  The second interview may be just as rough unfortunately. They did the right thing by answering the questions honestly and it's good they didn't cave under pressure and sign incorrect 'confessions' being forced upon them. They need to go into the second interview (if they are given one) with the same strength.

 

If the k petition is ultimately sent back then you can consider it to be dead in the water. Not sure if you have looked into what happens in those situations. There can often be a very small window where you are told it will be sent back but your congressman may be able to help you get a second or third interview before the papers actually leave the Embassy. Once the papers are gone it's considered over. You would have to start over and the CR is better to then pursue as it can't be sent to die like the K can.

 

 

Thank you Villanelle. This was actually their 2nd interview and we didn’t realize it was with FPU until after. I’ve spoken to two lawyers and have decided to wait 1 month for a response. If I don’t hear anything, I will withdraw the application and go get married and apply for a CR1 with a lawyer. We’ve been stuck in AP for over a year already and at this point seems like there’s a slim chance of getting approved (high fraud country and complicated case). I’ll probably frontload the CR1 application with more evidence. Trying to be patient for the next month and hoping to see some change in CEAC updates 😩

8 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

What kind of relation has been asked already. In about half the US states, it is illegal to marry a first cousin, and some other types of cousin marriage are illegal in some states too. Not sure if this matters here, but just a gentle reminder that what is common elsewhere is not always unquestionably accepted in the US.

Hi thanks, we are not first cousins. We are distant relatives. Grandparents were something like 2nd cousins

19 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

The issues they are questioning would be questioned even if you were married.

"Martyred"???

Yes, he was supporting the US govt and speaking against the taliban when a suicide bomber attacked and he was killed along with others. In Afg culture, he is considered martyred because of the type of death. This is common language there

8 hours ago, Jorgedig said:

How are you related?  This can be problematic for immigration.

It is more common in Afghanistan to marry a relative than not. They did not question this fact. They were more interested in testing whether her late husband was alive and children’s ages.

8 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

By "Afghan Consular," do you mean a Foreign Service National / Locally Engaged Staff member who conducted the interview, and that an American consul wasn't present?  That's what happened with Mrs. T-B.-to-be and me.

 

No lawyer can help you, almost assuredly.  Unless other details apply, your only hope (in my view) is to try to reach the IV Section Chief (Immigrant Visa unit) directly by phone, or perhaps by e-mail (with "for the IV Section Chief directly re [add your fiancee's A#]" in the Subject line.

 

I would hold off on the above in case some more-knowledgeable members reply here.

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Not to dilute your issue, but for the reading horror of others, the first several pages of this thread describe just some of what I and my contemporaries went through at a terribly mismanaged consulate:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/110313-us-consulate-in-guayaquil-ecuador/

 

And here is a shorter thread from a buddy (a contemporary) who got hosed worst of any of us:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/180306-guayaquil-consulate-administrative-process/
 

The lesson to all is to treat the consular phase of this process as absolutely the most crucial.

Thanks, I’ll take a look at these threads. I actually went back to the interview request email and noticed it was sent from KabulFPU.

So I’m assuming my fiancé’s background is being investigated because mine was clear and no real questions about our relationship were asked during the second interview. They kept asking about her late husband and children’s ages. also, the 10 phone numbers they called also were only asked where her husband is and how old her children are. All said he was martyred and children were small/unmarried at home.

And yes, it was a local staff member and there was no American Consul present.

The more I think about the types of tricks they tried to play on her and the children, the more enraged I get. I am so glad they all stood their ground and did not sign anything.

I have contacted 2 lawyers but they have advised that I wait at least one month before taking any steps. To see if there is any response from the embassy. They have all of their passports so hoping it doesn’t end up in a black hole and there is some traction.

really regretting just not getting married. It is my first marriage and i wanted a big ceremony. Not normal customs in Afg for a widowed woman to have a large party for second marriage so I decided to go k1 route in hopes of having the ceremony in the US. Completely regretting that decision now!

Does Fraud Protection Unit (FPU) make a decision at the end of interview/interrogation regarding denial or approval of visa? 

27 minutes ago, HKS said:

Im very very sorry and shocked that they had to go through this.  I would definitely consult with a lawyer. Even in non complicated cases of spouses/fiancés of middle eastern countries/certain Asian countries immigration is extremely difficult and long. You will continue to have problems. 
I just filed lawsuit with Jim Hacking. They are familiar with middle eastern and asian challenges. He is one of many lawyers, but a lot of people on VJ have used his services. He has a u tube channel as well. 

https://hackinglawpractice.com/?utm_source=GMBlisting&utm_medium=organic

 

Inshallah everything will be ok. I wish u the best. 

Thank you I appreciate the support. I have reached out to a lawyer as well. Thanks

Hi VJ members,

I am new to this platform so please excuse any errors or lack of info.

Case-My fiancé is 7 years older than me and she has 5 children. She is widowed and her late husband was helping the afg govt against the Taliban when a suicide bomber killed him and others. We met as we are related and I fell in love with her resilience and faith.

Formal engagement through family and visit to afg. Proof with Pictures and flight provided. All cultural formalities were completed related to the norms and customs of the country

First interview was smooth March of 2020 with an American consular and translator. 4-5 general questions and answers were given.  Was sent to AP due to medical examination needed for all of them. Medical exams completed and passports given back to embassy and sent over and then in AP for almost a year.

Second interview was yesterday and it was terrible. This time it was an Afghan Consular who asked for 10 phone numbers of relatives and called each one because they were suspicious of her late husbands death and children's ages. For some reason, they were convinced that one of her daughters is much older than her age and is married. Specifically telling her she was 4 or maybe 5 years older (very strange).. They asked my fiancé to swear on her daughters life and said they would conduct a physical to see if she was a virgin. She told them they could conduct any physical they needed at any hospital and that they would see she is not married. They went to the extent of telling her to sign a statement that she lied about her children's ages and the documents were fake and if she did they would approve her case on the spot because she admitted her lie and was honest. Obviously she did not sign it and firmly stood her ground. 

Everyone they called also confirmed the death of her late husband and children. There were also death certificates and several news articles provided.  Its also strange because they all have passports they submitted which is not something that is fake..

They separated the children as well and kept asking the daughter to admit that she was married. They went in to her room and told her that her mother just admitted that she was married and that she should confess, to which she replied, "why would my mother lie, I am not married I do not believe you." My fiancé had never said that.

They then asked the children how they identified their fathers remains after the explosions and if he was in a pieces or whole.. at this point one daughter cried and said, "how dare you ask me that type of question, do you have no heart." and then the consular apologized and moved on.

My fiancé along with her children answered all of the questions the same and all of them were obviously upset and humiliated.

After persistently interrogating all of them, and my fiances refusal to sign the statement, they simply said.. the interview is complete.. no rejection or approval. Passports were not given back.

I am still in absolute shock and at this point I am not sure if I should withdraw the application and go get married, or hire a lawyer. I wish I could do something about the treatment but no surprise when the second interview consular is a cruel local afghan man.

I did know the age gap would be brought into question but did not think it would be so offensive and humiliating for them to experience this.

Has anyone experienced something like this with a second interview for Kabul Embassy?