AveragePakistani

1 minute ago, JFH said:

Administrative Processing. It takes as long as it takes. Could be weeks, more likely to be months, in some cases it’s years. It’s the necessary background checks before the visa can be issued. 

Well I talked about him a few days ago. My plan is to marry in Sweden right after my first year of study finishes. During my 2 semesters of thesis, and if it goes longer than my thesis, i'll just work locally until it clears. At least in the end I have Germany. I've learned German to B2 with a certification in it as well, so I should be good. 

5 hours ago, JFH said:

But you will still likely face an extended period of AP purely based on the fact that Pakistan does not have a reliable criminal records database so the US government has to conduct their own background checks on prospective immigrants and those checks are not fast. 

can you elaborate on what AP is and how long the process would take? 

2 minutes ago, SteveInBostonI130 said:

If you are residing in Germany as a student then you should be able to be interviewed there.  The interview would probably be easier for your case than if it was conducted in Islamabad.  But your case will still go to AP because they will need to do a background check in Pakistan.  

 

There is another couple here on VJ who's spouse has been in AP for months.  The spouse is in Germany but the processing from Pakistan is still ongoing.

Ah. I didn't know that. I guess being born in this country is bigger blight than I thought. blimey. 

Just now, NancyNguyen said:

Gay marriage for Pakistani takes a long journey (aka AP), be well prepared.

well hopefully it won't come to that. I am going to Germany soon for studies and we have some future stuff planned there. I was just exploring all options since Germany is still 5-6 months away. 

Just now, Lucky Cat said:

You were not married during that time.  

2 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

 

For a proxy ,marriage to recognized by the US for immigration purposes, you have to be physically together  AFTER the marriage is conducted.....and before filing the I-130.  

ah #######. Thanks anyway. Worth a shot in asking I guess. 

10 minutes ago, JFH said:

A proxy marriage is not valid for immigration unless it has bern “consummated” (in other words, you have both been in each other’s physical presence) prior to filing the petition. So it serves no purpose. You have to wait until you are physically together before you can file anyway so you may as well wait until you are together to marry the regular way, face-to-face and avoid all the gray areas that proxy marriage brings. 

But we were together for 20 days in my country. I have a plethora of pictures, he has his boarding pass, visa and more to prove we were together. 

So, I did spent 20 days with my boyfriend just now in my city, from the beginning of October to the 20th, and while we wished we could have married, we weren't able to. 

A friend of mine did a remote marriage with his fiancé on Facebook just now. He is in Australia and she is in my city, she signed the wedding papers necessary and they couriered the documents to him and he signed them when he got them. 

I want to know if a similar situation is possible for me and him to do the same? Where he can initiate the wedding from the USA with witnesses and then couriers me the document to sign with a witness and I courier it back to him to begin processing at his local court? I do have a couple of people who can happily sign for me as witnesses. 

and yes, before I get the flood of questions. we both talked it through. we both shared the same room. same bed. etc for 20 days. we are completely and utterly happy with each other. I searched every possible loophole i could to try and get a marriage possible here but I couldn't. So before the barrage comes in, we are both comfortable and more than looking forward to marriage. 

2 minutes ago, Paul & Mary said:

That is all that is needed to file.  However it is often not enough for the consulate interview.  You will have needed to spent as much time together before the consulate stage.  It does not matter where you do this.  The issue for you is that you are Pakistani and cases take longer there because of poor records.  Even a Pakistani police certificate isn't seen as a valid document.

Yeah, I know how much the US embassy loves giving out Visa's to Pakistani citizens. I'm planning on pursuing Germany for study and hopefully if things work out, I can land a job there until we can meet more regularly. 

How would you suggest we spend more time together? I don't want to risk a rejection on my passport even though I have a house on my name, have got the equivalent of 14,000 USD in savings in a bank account in my name and have been working with the same company for 4 years now? I have seen people richer than me get rejected for less.

as mentioned, he only gets 13 days off a year, and that will refresh in April 2021 now after this visit. 

4 hours ago, Luckycuds said:

Hi you can only do the process in Germany if you have legal residency there (not on a tourist visa let’s say) so make sure you meet those requirements as well if that is what you both choose. Another thing to look into so you aren’t surprised down the line is administrative processing (AP) all visa applicants go through this and it could last days to months to years. It’s basically a thorough background check after interview and again those from your county (regardless where in the world the interView Is held) tend to be placed in longer AP-thus prolonging the Time it takes to get the visa issued. Just a heads up so you aren’t surprised 🙂 some more advice for when your partner visits is to have him meet and visit with family and not just friends.

Family is absolutely out of the question.

my entire family is absolutely over the board religious. "Hey everyone, this is my friend I am going to be spending 10 days alone in a hotel room with and MAYBE marry in the future! :)" 10 minutes later, I'm Jeffery Epstein'd. 

We both don't want our families in the picture, they're both extremely religious and very toxic. We're decided that mutually long ago. I'll try the Pakistan board today and hope for some luck. 

8 minutes ago, Luckycuds said:

If you add Pakistan to your profile on this site you will have easy access to the portal. Here is the link tho https://www.visajourney.com/portals/index.php?country=Pakistan

 

It’s not so much about one of you changing religions- it’s just that (I’m going to assume) if you are Muslim it is not the norm to marry outside ones religion. USCIS/embassy doesn’t care that covid/lack of time off makes it harder for visits. There is no rush to engage/marry and some people have to go years being together before applying for immigration. These things are overcome by face (in person) time. Not trying to discourage you; trying to make you aware this isn’t going to be an easy process.

Thank you so much! is there an option for Atheist or No religion on said form? We both literally have no problem with surrendering religion if it's going to be an obstacle for us to be together. 

I think me going to Germany and starting the process is better. I told him we can have our second meeting in Germany since it will be at the end of 2021, and end of the year is the best period for the both of us, or early 2022, since his vacations renew/expire by the April of that year. 

Again, the issue of travel is mostly on his side due to 13 days off a year, 2 days of which are spent in the plane and layovers.  

27 minutes ago, JFH said:

Slow down. You haven’t met yet. Don’t focus on the requirements first. That’s a red flag, anyway, to be thinking of visa requirements before you’ve even met. Get to know one another and enjoy your time together. The right time to file the K-1 is when you are ready to marry. For some, that’s after one visit. For others, it’s after multiple visits. Only you two know the right time for you.
 

Yes, one visit meets the legal requirements to file a petition. But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Marriage is a huge step. Make sure it’s what you both want. You have an uphill battle with the embassy in Pakistan so I would recommend more than one visit. If that means waiting until next year to file, so what? K-1s are not being processed by the embassies right now anyway, as they are not considered “mission critical” (embassy jargon for “essential”). You also will likely spend a considerable time in AP also so you need to see this as a multi-year plan. 

I know. We have been online for 4 years and trust me when I say I am ready for him to be at his worst. But I've been dating for a fairly long time and we both feel we are both right for each other. I know it sounds odd, but despite this being our first physical meeting, I am ready to commit. The 4 years I have been with him have been the best years of my life, we know every little thing about each other. These 10 days at most will tell us if we can live with each other, which shouldn't be a problem. 

We've both told each other our best, and worst stuff. we have put 4 years into it, and we both know that we were meant for each other. 

I have gotten your reply a lot from all my friends, they're eager to meet him too, but I've met enough guys romantically before, and I know what to watch out for in physical meeting, so it won't be issue for us to spend the time together. 

thanks for your consideration and thought, i know you mean well! and we both will definitely see how the physical meeting goes to decide how long we should wait to marry :) 

As I mentioned, the time off plus coronavirus makes it difficult to schedule multiple visits. Can you link me to the Pakistan boards? As far as the religion goes, neither of us has an issue with changing if needed.